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aXis
Beginner Joined: 05/18/2007 Location: Philippines Status: Offline Points: 54 |
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Posted: 10/16/2007 at 9:11pm |
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Hello. Im a chopper and I played this guy recently and his loops are so heavy and spinny that when i chop it, the ball flies far far away...Can anyone give me tips on how to chop against this? Im using a slow blade with short pips on the FH and Long pips on th BH both with no sponge. Thanks
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varghesep
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Block the heavy top spin and try if that works.
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mdjenders
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For fast loops moving more parallel to the floor, chop with a more downward stroke. For slow, spinny loops moving more perpendicular to the floor, chop with a more forward stroke.
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theman
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would using more force speeed wise be easier to control those spinny loops? pimples or normal?>
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pingpongrob
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I suggest you cut the spin, If you understand what i mean.
Every ball spins on 2 axis, so try and hit the ball closer to one of the spinning Axis, thats where the spin has the Least effect. Have a look at a seal with a ball spinning on its nose, notice that it has little effect. Hope you understand. |
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a23096713
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you have to change the racket angle fairly straight... to be honest. I still consider counter-loop/hit is a much better choice. because those kind of spiny loop tend to be slower and higher. if there is a chance. counter loop/hit it. if not.. just chop it with fairly straight angle, or just lightly drive it back down the line.
PS: even chopping with fairly straight angle, the returning shot will probably be a weak shot, due to the fact that much harder to chop a decent ball with shots like those. |
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theman
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i agree with a [numbers] , if its sittting up, the only option is to attack and put pressure to the opponent, i think spinny loops r good and easy to be counters with a very flat and parallel angle with the blade.
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YATTP
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He wants to know how to chop .....
He said that he uses sp and lp .....
garbage again .... Both of your points show that you don't have a clue what you are talking about .... I don't understand, why some of the new forum users spam this forum with garbage postings. If you know what you are talking about then talk and help people, but if you don't know what you are talking about because you don't have enough experience your gossip is very counter productive - and in some cases plainly rude for most readers who have to read this. |
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YATTP
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Watch out for your footwork! Get close to the ball, otherwise you have zero control because you lose balance. You have to make sure that the whole action of your chop is as smooth as possible. This will add to control. The other important thing is that you have to control the forward momentum of your chop. If the ball goes long, don't apply forward force - in fact you should ideally apply slightly negative forward momentum = backward momentum to take out some of the speed of the incoming ball. Another aspect of reducing the speed is to dramatically increase the amount of backspin you impart. If you chop with a really good amount of backspin you can see that the ball slows down heavily on its way back over the net. In short: ---------- 1. smooth movements 2. fast movements 3. short movements (increases control) 4. no forward momentum, just chop down with a vertical blade, just use your wrist until you have enough control to use more parts of your arm/body 5. apply as much spin as possible on fast balls (very controlled, super quick, wrist only chop downwards *ON CONTACT* (timing is key) 6. variation is the best friend of a chopper, but variation on fast balls is suicide imho. If your opponent got off a fast ball that brings you into trouble, you made a mistake before. In such cases don't experiment and play safe. This includes using a block instead of a chop if you get caught too close to the table. |
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aXis
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thank you for the advice
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bogeyhunter
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garbage again .... Both of your points show that you don't have a clue what you are talking about .... I don't understand, why some of the new forum users spam this forum with garbage postings. If you know what you are talking about then talk and help people, but if you don't know what you are talking about because you don't have enough experience your gossip is very counter productive - and in some cases plainly rude for most readers who have to read this. [/QUOTE] You have to understand that it's the "internet".....people have freedom to do/post whatever they want. Readers have freedom to read or not to read. Can't stop them.
However, I agree that some users just want to post "something" even things they don't know.
I think TheMan is not a chopper, how da hell non-chopper give advise to chopper? Just keep creating poll.
BTW.I don't think their rating is higher that US 1700 - I'm not saying under 1700 can't give suggestion but it shows that they don't know much.
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a23096713
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To be honest, I don't mind people making suggesting even though they don't know much. If someone came across and see some problem with it, then he/she can point out the errors. Well, I do agree if someone post a reply without a proper reading of the question, then it should be avoided.
Considered that people is interesting participating in the topic, I would personally give them a chance to participate, let them give suggesting, and while a more knowledge player give them more insight. who knows? maybe they want to be a chopper someday? or having a chopper as a regular practice partner so he/she can share knowledge? I think it's a bit harsh when YATTP make a strong comment, but it give the other less experienced player something to think of, maybe those who can't make a proper technical support could post their idea as in question form? I would think that will work properly, after all, we don't want to discourage peer-to-peer support or ideas. |
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varghesep
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I know what I was talking because I'm a chopper. I chop any heavy top spin loops.
Whoever gives the opinions in this forum are not spamming - their opinions are valuable. Whether he is a novice player or experienced player, his opinion matters - the rating does not matter. There are 2200 rated players who dont know how to loop heavy underspin, still they give opinions to their students how to play against long pips players. I know a a friend who went to take classes from a 2600 rated player, ultimately what my friend learned was he should not probably learn anything from him. A high rated player does not mean his advises are the right ones.
When I started coming to this forum, there was a user called pingpongdaddy. For the questions I asked, he gave answers which I thought was stupid because I felt the answers were not direct. But he was an intelligent person who fixed the root problems first before putting the band aid.
aXis, you start blocking those heavy top spin loops - rackets closed and little open. Then slowly move to "block & chop" strokes. From there you go to heavy chop. As mdjenders mentioned, the choping action should go straight down if the ball has heavy top spin. The chopping stroke which is similar to chopping heavy top spin are simple block and block chop because of the racket movements are straight. If you cant block or block chop heavy top spin, and the balls just fly as usual, you may have to look at the sponge size of your long pips. You have to figure out a distance safe for chopping based on your sponge size and the racket speed.
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haggisv
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AS a long pimple player, you WANT people to give you lots of spin... gives you control and makes it easy to manipulate how much spin you return...
In addition to YATTP comments, I can suggest that if the ball flies over the end... try and make softer contact... this makes you rubber less affected by the spin, and increases the spin reversal...
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pingpongpaddy
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Thanks Varghesep
BTW Its Pingpongpaddy not daddy. Maybe you could have said chop-block and it would have been clearer! I would suggest that AXIS makes sure he can float the ball both bh and fh before trying to chop the ball too much. Chopping is quite a difficult shot to master against topspin. A float is a light chop played as late as possible. (near the floor) with only slight backspin. Try to make your float shot land within 6 inches of the baseline. Doing this consistently will allow you to learn the speed of your racket which will increase yr confidence. dont worry about keeping the ball low but rather make sure it is as Long as possible. VERY LONG is good. VERY short is good. in between is bad length. BTW dont be afraid to ask yr partner to give you some shots in the same place -it will help his topspin too. |
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aXis
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thanks for all the suggestions :)
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cagaragesales
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Thanks guys. I learned a lot too!
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korearulz
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I usually tyr to push the ball away from you. if he loops to ur forehand then attack. if it was heavy then you must have put enough spin for ur opponent to lift it up. |
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Swiff
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Chop downword very very fast and hard.
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