Most/Least comfortable ST handle
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Topic: Most/Least comfortable ST handle
Posted By: 7plywood
Subject: Most/Least comfortable ST handle
Date Posted: 12/26/2009 at 11:16pm
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This topic is about STRAIGHT handles ONLY. What is the best/worst straight handle you played with? I have large hands and I like handles of appropriate size, sort of squarish. An ideal handle I found so far is Timo Boll Spirit ST (or Michael Maze ST - both very similar). The worst - Tibhar Samsonov Alpha ST - so thin and round that it felt like a broomstick. Although I like TBS handle better, honorary mention award goes to Stiga Clipper (or Stiga Peter in general). |
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Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 12/26/2009 at 11:25pm
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I too have large hands so finding a good handle is often a challenge. My Rutis was way too thin. My current blade (Xiom Fuga) is so far the best I've ever encountered. Large and kinda squarish, as you mention. ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 12:38am
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One of the most comfortable ST handles: Stiga OC -------------  Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 1:22am
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Old Hking ST, Mizutani ST, Acoustic/Violin L-sized ST are very comfortable to hold, especially if you have big hands. Mizutani ST is the smallest among them but it's squarish and comfortable to grip. While Stiga Peter handle is too thin IMO, a bit thicker will be comfortable to hold.
------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: rokphish
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 5:08am
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Wavestone ST has a nice big handle... ------------- instagram: rokphishtt Member of EJ Anonymous Hurricane Lover |
Posted By: Thot
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 6:29am
| YEO has a good ST handle, but I wish a handle even bigger. Most of the handles I saw are thin for my taste, sometimes I have problems when I switch from fh to bh, the fingers get into my palm. |
Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 12:39pm
My all-time most favourite (comfy) ST handle:
 Least comfy:
 Period. ------------- http://mytabletennis.net/Forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=17089" rel="nofollow - I love & am inspired by Malala Yousufzai's "True & Tough" LIFE STORY |
Posted By: jonyer1980
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 12:55pm
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I really like ST Violin handle, because I�ve got a rather small hands. However the FL hand it�s horrible because of the hollow gap when you�re handling it
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Posted By: johnny89atc
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 2:33pm
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I like the handle of my Allround Evolution Peter...
------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso-L RST 87gr FH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 FX 2.1 BH: Butterfly Tenergy 05 1.9 |
Posted By: dauntless
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 2:50pm
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Butterfly squarish handle like Primorac OFF-. I think the TBS and Timo Boll series has this type handle, not oval and not too thin. These are my favorite type handles in ST. Many Yasaka ST blades are similar in construction but not quite as good. http:// http://gallery.me.com/adamwitherspoon#100373 - gallery.me.com/adamwitherspoon#100373 ------------- 1. BTY Primorac, Nittaku H3N, T64 2. BTY Primorac, H3N, Mendo MP http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=56416 - Feedback |
Posted By: ttvet86
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 5:13pm
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Speaking of broomstick handles, does anyone remember the old Butterfly Power Smash blade? I had one in the 80's. Same as the classic power drive but with a rounded straight handle that screamed BROOMSTICK! I'd like to get my hands on one of those just to look at and wonder what was I thinking back then...
I like the straight handle on my Yasaka Gatien Carbon.
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Posted By: LOOPMEISTER
Date Posted: 12/27/2009 at 8:59pm
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BEST:
1) Photino ST- its hard to go from any FL blade to the Photino ST, but if you already use a ST and go to Photino, no other handle will suffice. 2) HK ST- looks like a photino ST handle. 3) Tenor ST- Like the HK ST, I haven't tried the Tenor ST, but it looks like a good one. GOOD: New TB series, TBS, MJ, M.Maze... Squarish ST handles kick ass. HONORABLE MENTION: Yasaka make some decent ST handles. I really like the Hinoki Leo 7. And there are a lot of older BTY blades that have great ST handles... (They don't always make them like they used to...) Chuan Chih-Yuan is a very nice ST handle, Gergely 21, Schlager Carbon, etc. BAD: I don't like Stiga ST handles. They are flat and the wings come down too far so the handles always feel short. Matsuhita Pro ST. nothing worse than a defensive blade with a short handle. UGLY: I haven't tried the Iolite ST, but I can say that Rutis ST is like holding a pencil in your hand. |
Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/28/2009 at 12:49am
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It is interesting how best handle for one can be on the least comfortable list for somebody else. peter79 - what is the Stiga Peter handle that you found too thin? Could you post measurements of yours: width, height and diagonal? All Stiga Peter handles that I measured (OC, OC CR, Clipper, All Classic) are pretty thick: X 29mm, Y 23mm, Diag 29mm. I rarely find blades with thicker handles than that. I actually found that the handle feels comfy to me when diagonal is slightly more than the width - even having smaller volume of the handle. Measurements taken from some of my ST handles: Stiga Peter (Clipper, OC, etc.) X 29mm, Y 23mm, Diag 29mm (oval-squarish) TBS: X 27mm, Y 22mm, Diag 29mm (squarish) Donic Baum: X 29mm, Y 23mm, Diag 27mm (oval) Korbel: X 27mm, Y 22mm, Diag 28mm (oval-squarish) |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 12/28/2009 at 1:19am
Eben V and Optimum Carbo. Optimum carbo is even thinner than the Eben V. I'll measure it later... ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
7plywood wrote:Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/28/2009 at 10:05pm
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I don't want this thread to die yet. It could be great wealth of information if everybody adds measurements to their posts. Look up a few posts for some of mine (TBS, Baum Carrera, Korbel, Clipper)  A: width B: height C: diagonal |
Posted By: ~stiga21~
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 2:22pm
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Great thread! I've spent days on the web trying to find this sort of information regarding ST handle dimensions. I have large hands too and don't want to buy a ST handle blade through mail-order only to find that the handle is not big enough.
7plywood, do you have the measurements for the Samsonov Alpha ST handle that you mentioned in your first post? I've always thought the Samsonov Alpha ST should have a good size handle based on web pictures of the blade. Does anyone know if the dimensions are the same for all Tibhar ST handles?
Last year I compared the ST handles on a Stiga Kevlar Wood and a Yasaka Extra:
Kevlar Wood: 29 x 23 mm (same as what 7plywood reported)
Yasaka Extra: 28.5mm x 22.5mm
Even though the YE was smaller X-Y dimensions, it had a circumference that was about 2mm bigger than the Kevlar Wood because of the squarish shape of the YE handle. I measured the circumference with one of those flexible fabric-type tape measures. Since then I've sold the YE so I can't get the diagonal measurement that 7plywood has measured.
The HH Table Tennis website (cafe.daum.net/hhtabletennis) has ST handle dimensions in some of their reviews. Only problem is most of the reviews are in Korean and google translator doesn't work on them. However if you scan through the review, you'll find an area in each review that has the characters FL, AN, and ST with dimensions in mm. They also usually have a picture of the end of the handle, so we could calculate the diagonal dimension as well. When I get a chance I will attempt to compile some of these and post them to this thread.
~stiga21~ ------------- Blade - BTY Primorac EX FH - Stiga Magna TX II BH - Stiga Boost TX |
Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 2:59pm
This is how the handle of my Alpha looks like now  .Approximate measurements of Alpha ST: width 28mm, height 22mm, diag 25mm (shape oval) 
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Posted By: tiehwen
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 3:13pm
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Koku Staysher:
A=28
B=22.5
C=28
Length=104
PKorbel:
A=27.5
B=22.5
C=28
Length=100
Donic WSC:
A=28
B=23
C=26.5
Length=102
H-3-9:
A=29.5
B=22.5
C=29
Length=102
Stiga Clipper Wood:
A=29
B=22
C=27
Length=102
YMLEO:
A=29.5
B=21.5
C=29
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Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:01pm
TBS (best handle for me) vs. Clipper (classic Stiga ST, very good handle) vs. Waldner Senso (classic Donic ST, not too bad). You can see the worst ST handle 2 posts above. |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 4:45pm
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my korbel handle.. like someone above said.. its oval squarish. ive tried clipper which is a bit more oval.i want to try TBS ST... alot of ppl seem to like it.
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Posted By: Schlager
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 7:30pm
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The best ST handle I have used so far is the one of the Michael Maze Off. Square and thick. The worst (by far) is the Stiga Clipper "Peter". Too flat, too wide and the wings come down too far, so the handle feels short, and narrower at the bottom. I wasn't comfortable at all playing with it, as it felt like I would loose it any time. Also the low wings really hurts. I tried sanding it, but still it is way too flat and wide. ------------- Blade: Butterfly M. Maze Off ST Rubbers: Bluefire M2 2.0 |
Posted By: ~stiga21~
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 9:30pm
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Are ST handles on the Primorac Carbon and Schlager Carbon the same dimensions/shape as on the Michael Maze or TBS?
~stiga21~
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Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 12/29/2009 at 10:24pm
All BTY handles are individual, so they vary between different blades. I've never had Schlager Carbon ST in my hand, but from some pictures I've seen it looks more like Gergely 21 ST handle or Stiga Clipper. I don't know dimensions though. Unlike BTY, Stiga Peter handles (Stiga name for their ST handle) seem to be the same between different models. Also for Donic it seems to be true for their Senso blades. |
Posted By: chris.b40
Date Posted: 12/31/2009 at 1:32am
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Well the handle on the DHS Hurricane King (St) is as about as good as it gets The best straight handle I have ever played with is the Klampar carbon blade awesom. Talk about great feel and extra long....By the way ,if any one has one for sale pm me I will take it. ------------- AVALOX BLUE THUNDER |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 12/31/2009 at 5:18pm
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In my opinion schlager carbon st is better balanced than fl but it usually gets more heavy weight. It is good handle st in sc. more or less the same as in maze and squarish (maybe not so thick as in maze). better st handle in sc than in clipper.
i do not like present peter stiga handle at all.
when one gets a thick one yasaka squarish st is quite good.
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Posted By: Klaus123
Date Posted: 01/01/2010 at 3:40am
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Posted By: Hansi Blocker
Date Posted: 01/02/2010 at 3:19am
My favourite handle is Butterfly Korpa! 
A: 30 mm B: 22 mm C: 31 mm D (new factor = length): 98 mm 
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Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 01/02/2010 at 9:28am
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Acoustic L-Sized : A: 28 mm B: 23 mm C: 28 mm D: 101 mm E ( New Factor = Thickest part at the middle) = 29 mm ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 02/24/2010 at 10:31pm
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M.Maze: X 27mm, Y 22mm, Diag 29mm
(squarish) Handle pretty much the same as TBS  |
Posted By: peter79
Date Posted: 02/24/2010 at 11:37pm
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Is this Petr Korbel ST handle more like Stiga Peter handle or Mizutani ST handle?   ------------- Andro Wanokiwami AO Offensive 83 gr H3 National Orange 40 deg 2.2 Baracuda Max 182 Gr |
Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 02/25/2010 at 1:21pm
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Best: Ebenholz V (Stiga Peter) Second: M Maze (but I don't like much ST handle from Tbs). I have pretty small hands and I don't have any problems with regular Acoustic ST handle (I really dislike handle from L-size version because of the the shape not because of the sieze of it). ------------- Viscaria, FL T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh. |
Posted By: martian22
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 2:47pm
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Thought Id resurrect this topic. Is the M.Maze ST handle the same as Timo Boll ST handles? ------------- Timo Boll ZLF MXP |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 3:15pm
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Probably not, as in the post above yours flash wrote: > Second: M Maze (but I don't like much ST handle from Tbs). ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 4:13pm
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Donic Persson series ST handles are comfortable. They are oval in cross section. Width is good but a bit thin. The Waldner series ST handles have the same width but are a bit thicker.
The wings on the Waldner ad Persson blades I've tried are a bit too wide from the bottom of the thumb bevel to the top of the handle. This can make it uncomfortable to hold and give the feeling that the handle is too short.
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Posted By: tuco
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 4:26pm
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Best ST handle I every had: Yasaka Dynamix 17. It is sligtly bigger than most ST handles. I do not have big hands, but the handle feels just right. Worst: Samsonov Alpha. Not a good blade by any means, imo.------------- The Dark Side is: "Quicker, easier, more seductive" - Yoda |
Posted By: ejmaster
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 9:39pm
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hk3 sq st, maze sq st. i like squarish st. most comfortable. some thin stiga's st is not comfortable for me.
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Posted By: mikepong
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 10:11pm
| BTY Mmaze, very comfortable to grip IMO |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 07/15/2011 at 10:20pm
I have two Samsonov Alphas with ST handles. We must have different size hands. I like the longer handle. It definitely is NOT head heavy even with heavy rubbers. My only complaint is that the paddle shape is shorter and wider than other paddles so it is hard to transfer rubbers to the Samsonov Alpha. Edit, I left out the NOT
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Posted By: flash
Date Posted: 07/16/2011 at 10:28am
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Bty Photino has a very comfortable handle also...M Maza it's ok...
------------- Viscaria, FL T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh. |
Posted By: Rich215
Date Posted: 07/16/2011 at 12:44pm
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Nexy Color Sq.ST handle feels very good. I would not mind the same shape just slightly larger on my Galaxy V1. ------------- |
Posted By: scdit46
Date Posted: 07/26/2011 at 6:12pm
I have small fingers. I use a regular Acoustic ST. Is a good choice? What are the measures of the straight handle of Nittaku Acoustic ST (widht x heigh)? I am finding a OFF blade with a ST handle think and oval!!!! Donic Waldner Senso Carbon has a ST handle thinkest and is oval? |
Posted By: mizutani_jun
Date Posted: 07/26/2011 at 7:25pm
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For me Best : M.Maze Worst : Samsonov Alpha |
Posted By: Anton Chigurh
Date Posted: 07/26/2011 at 7:29pm
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In my experience: Best: Nittaku Haneyoshi Worst: Nittaku Rutis ------------- Neo H3 40D| Offensive S | Tenergy 80 |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 07/26/2011 at 11:36pm
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Worst: TBS ST. A. Grubba ST. Very subjective...felt like holding a tool, disliked the squarish feel.
Best: Yasaka Swede Classic ST. Large version...felt like part of my hand, very comfy. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: Klaus123
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 2:17am
Easy to answer:
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Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 2:19am
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I don't have any special issues with the handle of Violin. Actually, I must say that among the ST handles I tried it's quite OK, although I prefer less rounded edges, especially on thin handles. Among the ST handles I played with, here is my personal ranking (from best to worst): Butterfly M. Maze TSP Hinoki Pure OSP Virtuoso STSQ Butterfly Spark Nittaku Violin/Acoustic Nexy Lissom Butterfy Chuan Chih-Yuan Butterfly Kiso Hinoki V Yinhe Stock (shape ok but jagged lens) Donic Waldner Senso ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/27/2011 at 2:23am
I just remind you of this post. I'm going to measure some of my blades later today. EDIT: a close-up picture of the handle butt would be appreciated as well (for quasi-elliptical handles C is not very indicative) ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 1:56am
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I measured the ST handles of the blades I have now. Butterfly Timo Boll Spark A: 27.1 mm B: 21.6 mm C: 27.7 mm (?) Nittaku Violin A: 27.3 mm B: 23.1 mm C: 25.4 mm (?) Nittaku Acoustic A: 27.5 mm B: 23.2 mm C: 25.5 mm (?) Nexy Lissom A: 28.6 mm B: 21.6 mm C: 29.2 mm (?) The tolerance of the blade manufacturing process is less than that of the instrument I used for measuring (the handles have slightly different cross sections at different places), so I would guess that the error on the measures is about +/- 0.2mm for A and B. Determining C requires some guesswork, especially if the cross section is more elliptic than square. Therefore, I suggest to include a picture of the handle butts.  (I could't convince my phone camera not to focus on the background, but I'll try again). EDIT: added dimensions of Spark. ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: martian22
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 4:51am
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Can anyone comment on butterflies non square st handles like the innerforce handles? ------------- Timo Boll ZLF MXP |
Posted By: scdit46
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 11:12am
| The ST handle of Acoustic is the same that the ST handle of Violin? |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 3:37pm
Yes, within the limits of manufacturing tolerance (a few tenths of mm). ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: kolevtt
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 4:16pm
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Petr Korbel SK7 ST is very comfortable handle. The normal Korbel OFF is with very short handles. Timo Boll Spirit also is very good in ST variant. Everything depends from the sizes of your hand. The topic will be more useful if the member who post make an appropriate comparison between his hand and the hanlde of the blade. |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 6:22pm
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Hands have many more sizes than handles. I think measuring the size of the handles will be more useful. So if one plays with one blade and feels that he would prefer a handle which is larger, thinner, thicker, wider, rounder, etc., he/she can immediately know which blades to look for. If we get enough entries in this thread I may make a database. Once more, pictures of the handle butts, along with dimensions, would be extremely helpful. ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: scdit46
Date Posted: 07/28/2011 at 6:45pm
Is a good idea! |
Posted By: scdit46
Date Posted: 07/31/2011 at 6:58pm
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which blades have ST oval handles? |
Posted By: zzz
Date Posted: 07/31/2011 at 7:14pm
WSC and OSP RST ------------- Virtuoso+ :: Mark V :: Mark V |
Posted By: scdit46
Date Posted: 07/31/2011 at 7:38pm
and Waldner Senso Carbon Ultra? and http://www.tabletennisdb.com/blade/donic-persson-power-carbon.html - Donic Persson Power Carbon ? |
Posted By: arg0
Date Posted: 08/01/2011 at 1:03am
All Donic Senso ST handles are oval  ------------- Nexy Arche & Nittaku Violin LG. Join the forum_posts.asp?TID=47778" rel="nofollow - Nexy Clan ! Also member of Violin & 1-Ply clans. |
Posted By: RedMan
Date Posted: 08/02/2011 at 11:57am
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Least comfortable: Matsush*ta Pro Most comfortable: Joo Se Hyuk ------------- Blade: Victas Koji Matsush*ta FL FH: Donic Bluefire JP03 in 2.0 Black BH: TSP P1r Curl 1.5-1.7 Red |
Posted By: ~stiga21~
Date Posted: 01/03/2012 at 6:26pm
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Does anyone have the dimensions (measurements A and B as mentioned previously in this thread) for the straight handle on newer Joola blades? I'm specifically looking at the Joola Flame Fast blade, but dimensions from any modern straight-handled Joola would be helpful.
Just wondering how the Joola straight handle compares to the Stiga Peter straight handle. Thanks! |
Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 01/04/2012 at 12:19am
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Large hands I think German brands are best: 2 I like are - Andro JM Saieve (sp?) and Joola Chen Wei Xing - both have very large comfortable ST handles. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: ~stiga21~
Date Posted: 01/04/2012 at 1:54am
| Thanks for the info jrs. Do you know if Joola handles are a consistent size and design from one model to the next, or are they a different size and design for each model (like Butterfly handles)? |
Posted By: YBFlash
Date Posted: 01/04/2012 at 6:16am
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For me - Nittaku Acoustic or Violin ST ------------- Blade: OSP Virtuoso+ FH: Nittaku Fastarc G-1 BH: Nittaku Fastarc G-1 |
Posted By: TheRobot99
Date Posted: 01/04/2012 at 10:47am
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Posted By: jrscatman
Date Posted: 01/04/2012 at 11:53am
Sorry stiga21 - not sure - Joola Chen Wei Xing is a chopper blade - so it is an oversize blade. Might want to check the paddlepalace website. I think they give handle sizes there. ------------- Butterfly MPS FH: Donic Acuda S1 BH: Palio CK531A OX |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 01/08/2012 at 5:07am
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Are all of the Stiga Hardwood blades the same size and shape? ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 04/12/2012 at 12:37am
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Stiga OC X = 29 mm Y = 21 mm Diagonal = 27 mm Compare these to those given on the first page of this thread. All made possible by poor quality control. Stiga should be ashamed to put "Made in Sweden" on their classics.
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Posted By: tommyzai
Date Posted: 04/13/2012 at 9:26pm
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Borko made a nice cork handle for me once. Hen Shu Fu! ------------- For More Info, PM or Email me: [email protected] |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/13/2012 at 11:06pm
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Yasaka Sweden Classic ST. Big fat delicious handle. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 04/14/2012 at 2:37am
Frogger, could you take some measurements please?
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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/14/2012 at 10:51am
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Length 101
wide 30
depth 23 ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: racquetsforsale
Date Posted: 04/14/2012 at 1:38pm
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Frogger, How long ago did you buy the blade? I'm wondering if the current version still has those dimensions. Thanks.
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Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 04/14/2012 at 3:56pm
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I bought the blade 12 years ago. Love the handle but the blade is to slow for me. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: 7plywood
Date Posted: 01/04/2013 at 11:31pm
Nittaku Runlox 5 (in the middle) compared to Stiga Clipper and TBS. ST handle of Runlox 5: A 29mm, B 23mm, C (diagonal) 29mm (oval-squarish) Exactly the same as Stiga Clipper ST handle (both shape and measurements). Runlox 5 is a Nittaku version of Avalox P500 blade. Over 6 mm thick, soft and quite stiff (yes, contrary to what some other people say it is rather stiff for a 5 ply, much different than Stiga OC), it is great looping blade with excellent control. |
Posted By: neutronbomb
Date Posted: 01/05/2013 at 5:40am
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I like Hallmark's straight blades with the strip of cork down each side. Nice and comfortable size, plus the cork gives some extra grip and sweat absorption. ------------- USATT Rating 2059 FH Tibhar 5Q+ BH Giant Dragon Long Hallmark Aurora |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 4:41pm
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Could you guys tell me about Tibhar ST handles? There was mention of the Samsonov alpha being too thin and uncomfortable. I am particularly interested in the Tibhar Stratus Powerwood ST handle. The only Tibhar blade I held in my hand was the COS3 Def which has a large and long ST handle but that is a defensive one and oversize. Thanks for any input. |
Posted By: NextLevel
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 5:01pm
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The Force Pro ST handle is thin but I am getting used to it. The Force Pro flare is my favorite flare/conical handle. Haven't tried Stratus Powerwood but I hear it has a large head so one should definitely try the blade before buying if one dislikes thin handles absolutely. The force pro st handle mostly disappoints because of the high expectations from the Flare handle. ------------- https://youtu.be/jhO4K_yFhh8?t=115" rel="nofollow - I like putting heavy topspin on the ball... Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
Posted By: Cochese
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 5:50pm
Have not tried a ST handle from Tibhar, but the FL on the SPW is the most comfortable handle I have ever held. ------------- Tibhar SPW Adidas P7 Max/Vega Euro 1.8 |
Posted By: Ray
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 6:53pm
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I actually find SPW ST handle one of the most comfortable ST handles I've been experienced so far. If you hate tiny Korbel FL handle, you'll love SPW ST - thick, wide and long. And I'm STraightholder, neither FL nor AN. ------------- Life is too short for defensive play. https://twitter.com/spinnier_com" rel="nofollow - https://twitter.com/spinnier_com https://fb.me/spinnier" rel="nofollow - fb.me/spinnier |
Posted By: pnachtwey
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 6:58pm
Yes, I fix mine by rubber cementing a rubber grip to my straight handles. I originally bought straight handles to go into a vise I use for testing but now I am use to them and prefer round handles. I really like the round handles on my Firewall Plus blades. They are good for twiddling. ------------- I TT therefore I am |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 01/13/2015 at 8:07pm
It's fairly easy to change the shape of a straight handle. I simply use epoxy to increase the handle size and length, and reshape it with a sander to the way I like it: ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: SmackDAT
Date Posted: 01/14/2015 at 11:15am
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Design looks fugly though, I hate to say. ------------- Zhang Jike ALC AN (88g) Tenergy 05 Hard (2.1, B) Tenergy 19 (2.1, R) https://goo.gl/bFWoxW" rel="nofollow - https://goo.gl/bFWoxW |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/14/2015 at 1:45pm
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The most comfortable to me are: BTY TBS ST. squared shape that is not small. Feels great. Stiga Clipper Classic ST. oval, fat. nice feel. ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: jt99sf
Date Posted: 01/14/2015 at 2:16pm
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Avalox 500 and TB Spark. ------------- Photino/Super Viscaria : H3 (FH)/Dr N pips(BH)林德成 HardBat:Hock 3-Ply /Dr Evil |
Posted By: tabletennis11
Date Posted: 01/16/2015 at 9:10am
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Wider handle - Stiga Clipper CR Rounder handle - Donic Waldner Senso Carbon or Ovtcharov Senso Carbon These blades feel comfortable, but as always everyone has their own unique preferences :) ------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6QlKrAbsMQ?utm_source=mytt-signature" rel="nofollow - Click Here to see TableTennis11 CEO Sergei Petrov's Introductory Interview - Tabletennis11.com |
Posted By: Hans Regenkurt
Date Posted: 01/16/2015 at 9:20am
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Thank you everybody for the input. It has helped me narrow down my search to two blades which is the Stiga Clipper ST and the Tibhar SPW ST. I am more inclined to get the latter one because it is thinner and I hope to get a better feel with it. But at the same time I am trying out a friend's Clipper next week to see how it fits me. |
Posted By: kevo
Date Posted: 01/16/2015 at 3:55pm
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Best: OSP Immune OX--You get what you pay for. Honourable mention: Stiga AR Classic/Off Classic
Worst: TB ALC--Sometimes you don't get what you pay for! (Too small, square and...wierd. Great Blade though.) |
Posted By: frogger
Date Posted: 01/16/2015 at 4:46pm
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As with other treads there is no good or bad. It's what feels best to the player. Player A may love it while player B thinks it's uncomfortable. Best advice is to find the blade you are interested in hold it and play with it.  ------------- Wood Paddle Red side Black side. |
Posted By: roundrobin
Date Posted: 01/16/2015 at 5:46pm
I never have a problem with uncomfortable handles. Here's an extreme example of what you can do to reshape the handle with
epoxy (Don't laugh...anyone who held this paddle commented how awesome
it felt in their hand!): ------------- Current USATT Rating: 2181 Argentina National Team Member, 1985-1986. Current Club: Los Angeles Table Tennis Association. My Setup: Yinhe Q1 / T64 2.1 black / Saviga V 0.5mm red |
Posted By: Crowsfeather
Date Posted: 01/19/2015 at 9:32am
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BTY Jun Amultart Innerforce Joola Flame Fast Stiga classic and Peter Samsonov Force Pro black ed. I hate squarish handle with edge. ------------- I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud . |
Posted By: Cochese
Date Posted: 01/21/2015 at 10:54am
Here is my Xiom Zetro Quad ST. More of an oval shape and based on measurements others posted, pretty good size. At least wider than most. I find it comfortable having average sized hands. It is also the only ST handle I have ever held, so don't have much to compare to. Measurements A: 29.5mm B: 21.5mm C: ~28.5mm ?  ------------- Tibhar SPW Adidas P7 Max/Vega Euro 1.8 |
Posted By: spin_attack
Date Posted: 04/20/2015 at 1:31am
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This is my first good setup involving the BTY PETR KORBEL FL (made in Jap) So disappointed with the size and length of the blade handle, so smal, so small, seems like it was made for a child. I have small-average hands. ------------- BTY PK, T05fx, T80fx |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 04/20/2015 at 1:41am
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my most favorite handle is on this 729 premade bat my dad bought me 15 years ago. My first blade. Round ST, which seemed to have disappeared over the years. Has this laquer/varnish finish. Would never slip out of my hand or neither give me blisters. Haven't found anything even close to it. I still have the blade for memories :D -------------  "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: Hansi Blocker
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 12:26pm
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This is my Donic Appelgren World Champion '89. I have changed the handle from concave to straight. The new handle is a Butterfly Korpa replica.   |
Posted By: takacslaci
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 12:34pm
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Posted By: cole_ely
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 1:04pm
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I have a lot of galaxy blades like that. Remember, most blades are only stained anyway. You really dont want a poly or similar coating around the wood of the handle, I'm told. You want the wood to breathe. I have zero problems with Lq1, for example. I bet that think plays sweet. I still like the appelgren, but it seems the newer head is smaller. ------------- Wavestone St with Illumina 1.9r, defender1.7b Please let me know if I can be of assistance. |
Posted By: DreiZ
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 1:25pm
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Korbel ST. Best one I've ever tried. Too bad they don't make it anymore. |
Posted By: asifgunz
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 1:32pm
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Comment removed. I forgot i had previously commented. ------------- "I do not have any idols. I am my own idol." - Zhang Jike Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=71761&PN=1#905629 |
Posted By: zeio
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 1:37pm
Hehe, that myth is still lurking around. ------------- Viscaria FL - 91g + Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
Posted By: in2spin
Date Posted: 08/20/2015 at 2:05pm
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personally i think most of the butterfly STs are pretty good, the IF ZLC is a little different in that it is thinner and more rounded. consistent high quality qc and finish. years ago, i started playing yasaka, stiga and donic blades. i found the finish on the yasaka 40 blade to be a little rougher (porous?) thereby leaving blisters. i found the stiga blades (offensive, caliber, energy wrb, super carbon) to be similar, but some of the handles were more porous/unfinished and some had a smoother final product. the donic's i tried (glass fibre, waldner senso with v1 (small hole hollow handle), a persson power speed 7 ply - the straight handles on those were very thin, and to me, very maneuverable. i later tried a carbotec which had a larger/squarer handle. the donic's were consistently smoother final product i felt the fit and finish and final qc on the donics were higher quality than the stiga/yasakas. :)
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