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7plywood
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Posted: 12/26/2009 at 11:16pm |
This topic is about STRAIGHT handles ONLY.
What is the best/worst straight handle you played with? I have large hands and I like handles of appropriate size, sort of squarish. An ideal handle I found so far is Timo Boll Spirit ST (or Michael Maze ST - both very similar). The worst - Tibhar Samsonov Alpha ST - so thin and round that it felt like a broomstick. Although I like TBS handle better, honorary mention award goes to Stiga Clipper (or Stiga Peter in general). |
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Anton Chigurh
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I too have large hands so finding a good handle is often a challenge. My Rutis was way too thin. My current blade (Xiom Fuga) is so far the best I've ever encountered. Large and kinda squarish, as you mention.
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One of the most comfortable ST handles: Stiga OC
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Old Hking ST, Mizutani ST, Acoustic/Violin L-sized ST are very comfortable to hold, especially if you have big hands. Mizutani ST is the smallest among them but it's squarish and comfortable to grip. While Stiga Peter handle is too thin IMO, a bit thicker will be comfortable to hold.
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Wavestone ST has a nice big handle...
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YEO has a good ST handle, but I wish a handle even bigger. Most of the handles I saw are thin for my taste, sometimes I have problems when I switch from fh to bh, the fingers get into my palm.
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tiehwen
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My all-time most favourite (comfy) ST handle:
Least comfy:
Period.
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jonyer1980
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I really like ST Violin handle, because I�ve got a rather small hands. However the FL hand it�s horrible because of the hollow gap when you�re handling it
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I like the handle of my Allround Evolution Peter...
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Butterfly squarish handle like Primorac OFF-. I think the TBS and Timo Boll series has this type handle, not oval and not too thin. These are my favorite type handles in ST. Many Yasaka ST blades are similar in construction but not quite as good.
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ttvet86
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Speaking of broomstick handles, does anyone remember the old Butterfly Power Smash blade? I had one in the 80's. Same as the classic power drive but with a rounded straight handle that screamed BROOMSTICK! I'd like to get my hands on one of those just to look at and wonder what was I thinking back then...
I like the straight handle on my Yasaka Gatien Carbon.
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BEST:
1) Photino ST- its hard to go from any FL blade to the Photino ST, but if you already use a ST and go to Photino, no other handle will suffice. 2) HK ST- looks like a photino ST handle. 3) Tenor ST- Like the HK ST, I haven't tried the Tenor ST, but it looks like a good one. GOOD: New TB series, TBS, MJ, M.Maze... Squarish ST handles kick ass. HONORABLE MENTION: Yasaka make some decent ST handles. I really like the Hinoki Leo 7. And there are a lot of older BTY blades that have great ST handles... (They don't always make them like they used to...) Chuan Chih-Yuan is a very nice ST handle, Gergely 21, Schlager Carbon, etc. BAD: I don't like Stiga ST handles. They are flat and the wings come down too far so the handles always feel short. Matsuhita Pro ST. nothing worse than a defensive blade with a short handle. UGLY: I haven't tried the Iolite ST, but I can say that Rutis ST is like holding a pencil in your hand. |
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7plywood
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It is interesting how best handle for one can be on the least comfortable list for somebody else.
peter79 - what is the Stiga Peter handle that you found too thin? Could you post measurements of yours: width, height and diagonal? All Stiga Peter handles that I measured (OC, OC CR, Clipper, All Classic) are pretty thick: X 29mm, Y 23mm, Diag 29mm. I rarely find blades with thicker handles than that. I actually found that the handle feels comfy to me when diagonal is slightly more than the width - even having smaller volume of the handle. Measurements taken from some of my ST handles: Stiga Peter (Clipper, OC, etc.) X 29mm, Y 23mm, Diag 29mm (oval-squarish) TBS: X 27mm, Y 22mm, Diag 29mm (squarish) Donic Baum: X 29mm, Y 23mm, Diag 27mm (oval) Korbel: X 27mm, Y 22mm, Diag 28mm (oval-squarish) |
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Eben V and Optimum Carbo. Optimum carbo is even thinner than the Eben V. I'll measure it later... |
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7plywood
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I don't want this thread to die yet.
It could be great wealth of information if everybody adds measurements to their posts. Look up a few posts for some of mine (TBS, Baum Carrera, Korbel, Clipper) A: width B: height C: diagonal |
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Great thread! I've spent days on the web trying to find this sort of information regarding ST handle dimensions. I have large hands too and don't want to buy a ST handle blade through mail-order only to find that the handle is not big enough.
7plywood, do you have the measurements for the Samsonov Alpha ST handle that you mentioned in your first post? I've always thought the Samsonov Alpha ST should have a good size handle based on web pictures of the blade. Does anyone know if the dimensions are the same for all Tibhar ST handles?
Last year I compared the ST handles on a Stiga Kevlar Wood and a Yasaka Extra:
Kevlar Wood: 29 x 23 mm (same as what 7plywood reported)
Yasaka Extra: 28.5mm x 22.5mm
Even though the YE was smaller X-Y dimensions, it had a circumference that was about 2mm bigger than the Kevlar Wood because of the squarish shape of the YE handle. I measured the circumference with one of those flexible fabric-type tape measures. Since then I've sold the YE so I can't get the diagonal measurement that 7plywood has measured.
The HH Table Tennis website (cafe.daum.net/hhtabletennis) has ST handle dimensions in some of their reviews. Only problem is most of the reviews are in Korean and google translator doesn't work on them. However if you scan through the review, you'll find an area in each review that has the characters FL, AN, and ST with dimensions in mm. They also usually have a picture of the end of the handle, so we could calculate the diagonal dimension as well. When I get a chance I will attempt to compile some of these and post them to this thread.
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7plywood
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This is how the handle of my Alpha looks like now .
Approximate measurements of Alpha ST: width 28mm, height 22mm, diag 25mm (shape oval) |
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Koku Staysher:
A=28
B=22.5
C=28
Length=104
PKorbel:
A=27.5
B=22.5
C=28
Length=100
Donic WSC:
A=28
B=23
C=26.5
Length=102
H-3-9:
A=29.5
B=22.5
C=29
Length=102
Stiga Clipper Wood:
A=29
B=22
C=27
Length=102
YMLEO:
A=29.5
B=21.5
C=29
Length=100 |
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TBS (best handle for me) vs. Clipper (classic Stiga ST, very good handle) vs. Waldner Senso (classic Donic ST, not too bad).
You can see the worst ST handle 2 posts above. |
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my korbel handle.. like someone above said.. its oval squarish. ive tried clipper which is a bit more oval.i want to try TBS ST... alot of ppl seem to like it.
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The best ST handle I have used so far is the one of the Michael Maze Off. Square and thick.
The worst (by far) is the Stiga Clipper "Peter". Too flat, too wide and the wings come down too far, so the handle feels short, and narrower at the bottom. I wasn't comfortable at all playing with it, as it felt like I would loose it any time. Also the low wings really hurts. I tried sanding it, but still it is way too flat and wide. |
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Are ST handles on the Primorac Carbon and Schlager Carbon the same dimensions/shape as on the Michael Maze or TBS?
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7plywood
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All BTY handles are individual, so they vary between different blades. I've never had Schlager Carbon ST in my hand, but from some pictures I've seen it looks more like Gergely 21 ST handle or Stiga Clipper. I don't know dimensions though. Unlike BTY, Stiga Peter handles (Stiga name for their ST handle) seem to be the same between different models. Also for Donic it seems to be true for their Senso blades. |
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chris.b40
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Well the handle on the DHS Hurricane King (St) is as about as good as it gets The best straight handle I have ever played with is the Klampar carbon blade awesom. Talk about great feel and extra long....By the way ,if any one has one for sale pm me I will take it.
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ejmaster
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In my opinion schlager carbon st is better balanced than fl but it usually gets more heavy weight. It is good handle st in sc. more or less the same as in maze and squarish (maybe not so thick as in maze). better st handle in sc than in clipper.
i do not like present peter stiga handle at all.
when one gets a thick one yasaka squarish st is quite good.
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My favourite handle is Butterfly Korpa!
A: 30 mm B: 22 mm C: 31 mm D (new factor = length): 98 mm |
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Acoustic L-Sized :
A: 28 mm B: 23 mm C: 28 mm D: 101 mm E ( New Factor = Thickest part at the middle) = 29 mm |
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M.Maze: X 27mm, Y 22mm, Diag 29mm
(squarish)
Handle pretty much the same as TBS |
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Is this Petr Korbel ST handle more like Stiga Peter handle or Mizutani ST handle? |
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