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    Posted: 09/29/2022 at 4:49am
I am returning to TT after a long time off. I've been back about 6 months now, after 40+ years, with a short 2 year stint back about 15 years ago and am really enjoying it.
I would like some advice please.
I can't get my backhand right. It pops up high or long from my pushes and my attempted loops. About 33% of the time it works, but mostly it doesn't.
I used to have a decent backhand, I was/am a pretty flat hitter, and could normally play this shot reliably, I could also chop and push solidly.
Now I can't get it right. I like to play close to the table and my problems are worse when I am forced back to play at a distance, my backhand is even more inconsistent from there.
What is confusing me is that, I recently found my old bat a pre-made Friendship 729 one with Friendship II rubber on it. This rubber is over 15 years old, it is dead and was stuck in the garage hidden for quite a lot of the intervening time. I can play my backhand much better with this than my new bat, which had DHS G888 on it and more recently Giant Dragon Superspin. I don't think my problems are purely down to my rubber, but I think it may also not be helping.
Sure I am never gonna set the world alight with my tt, but I would like to at least get back to near the standard I used to be as a kid.
I would be really grateful for any tips for me to try and at least improve my backhand problems.

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Maybe your new blade is too fast and bouncy. An old premade bat is usually pretty slow and helps you control your pushes and chops and flat kills.
What blade do you use now?
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hi brands
after 40 years the ball is a different size
thats what cauzes yr timing problem
keep practicing and maybe punch the ball a bit more
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Hi GSOM and Pingpongpaddy,
Thank you both for the advice.
GSOM I have an Avalox all round blade, so I hope that isn't too fast for me. My forehand plays fine with it.
Pingpongpaddy, I played last night and tried to put your advice into action. I'm not entirely sure I was doing it correctly, but tried to hit through the ball a bit more. I think it may be working, but as you say time and practice will tell.
Thanks again both for taking the time to reply to me.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote 1dennistt Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/05/2022 at 2:49pm
Best bet is to have someone film you while playing, that way you can see how you actually strike the ball.  I know it helped my brother work through some issues he was having.  In some cases what we think we are doing and what happens while playing are "somewhat" different.  It was in his case, and once he saw what was happening it became easier to make adjustments.  They say seeing is believing.

You don't need anything fancy to do this, just someone willing to hold a phone (or camera) while you practice.  Some controlled play where you script out what you are going to do (pushing or hitting for instance), and also some random play where you can see what happens in more of a game setting.

Let us know how you progress!


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Hi Brands, I notice older players just don't move the same and therefor can't do their best shots as much

maybe getting advice from locals or getting a coach to help you
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1dennistt and smackman,
Thank you for the sound advice. I really hadn't thought of filming, but it does make sense and is pretty easy now and yes, my footwork is nowhere near as fast as it was, so I will make a conscious effort to think about it. I just know my backhand does feel right when I strike the ball and it isn't playing the way it used to.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote brands77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/20/2022 at 3:37am
Ok I have had some time to digest all of the advice and I've had a couple of session since. I thought I would give a progress update to let those of you who took the time to give me help, know how it worked out.
I tried pretty much all of the advice and all helped to some degree and I am a bit more consistent, but mostly more confident on my backhand now.
Snapping through and punching the shot has worked for me off the table, but not so much close to the table.
I've made a more conscious effort to move and get my feet into position too and that has worked - I think age and laziness had caught up with me. Mostly I am more aware of when I don't get my feet in the right place and am figuring out how to get them sorted. It is taking time, but I am getting there.
I also by chance started to bend my knees much more, which has helped both my bh and fh topspin.
One final thing, as any bad workman, I was looking at my "tools" to blame. I thought that my rubber was too fast and didn't suit me. The problem was basically my technique, I have got more used to my bat and rubber, it's not too fast I just needed to get better!
I know these would be obvious to pretty much all, but as pingpongdaddy said it's been a long time and you forget a lot. It was very useful to get back to basics and getting advice from the forum has helped me do that.
Thank you all.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote LOG1C1AN Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10/20/2022 at 11:59pm
You might consider trying short pips on your BH to facilitate your preference to hit through the ball and learn to punch it.
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Yes, it is something I have considered, but I am trying to get my technique back first and then when I feel comfortable I might try it.
However, no one I know plays with short pips so I haven't been able to borrow a bat and see how they play.
What would anyone suggest as a cheap intro to short pips that I could try to get an idea of how they play? I was thinking of putting it  on an old blade and experimenting.
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