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    Posted: 01/11/2009 at 8:59pm
Which glue should i use to stick a Dawei Inspirit Quattro to a 5 ply wood blade?

I have the following glues to use:

1. DHS 15 Water Based Glue
2. Butterfly Free Chack
3. Haifu Blue Whale 2 Speed Glue

The wordings on the packing states not to over glue so i am guessing option 3 is out unless someone has tried it successfully.
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To be strictly legal you can only use 1 or 2.

Out of those I would use the 3, to simply attach it to the blade... Just use a few layers on the blade, and a single thick layer on the rubber... I would not consider this "over-gluing"... VOC should disappear fairly quickly anyway, especially if you air it... and of course do it in a well ventilated area...

Might as well use up the glue while you have it...
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When you mention putting several layers on the blade, you mean put one layer on the blade then let it dry and then put another layer? Haifu goes on quite thick but becomes very thin once it dries.

I had this problem with a Sriver EL when i tried gluing with Haifu. I put 1 layer and after it dried, i put another layer and once i got to my 3rd layer of glue, the rubber started to dome and it was hard to attach it to the blade because it was curling up.

But i notice that once the glue on the rubber dries up, the doming decreased. Perhaps my mistake was trying to attach the rubber when glue had not dried up enough or i applied another layer before the previous layer dried up.

Any advice?

I ended up spoiling a brand new Sriver EL because of my inexperience.
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Go to the Arts and Crafts store and buy YES Paste. Throw the rest out.
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I have not used the haifu glue, but most speed glues tend top be thinner than normal glue..

Yes put 1 layer on, wait for it to be touch dry, then another layer...

I recommend put several layers on the blade ONLY, instead of the rubber, because it's much safer for the rubber this way, and the issue you had with the sriver EL is much less likely to happen...
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Thanks haggisv. I will try your method.

I was more careful on a regular Sriver L after my experience with the Sriver EL.

I put 1 layer on the rubber, waited for it dry then put the 2nd layer and stopped.

Then i put 1 layer on the blade and waited for both to dry before i attached them together. And under a few heavy books for a couple of hours just to be sure.

Are rubbers with softer sponges more susceptible to doming from speed glue then harder sponges?
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Softer ones are more easily damaged, as the VOCs can penetrate the sponge more easily, and reach the topsheet where it can do damage or dislodge the topsheet from the sponge...
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One more silly question: Can i use the same method for water based glues?

Using DHS isn't an option because it gets all lumpy if you try to put another layer on a sealed blade.

But with Free Chack, it seems more forgiving.
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With water based glue, there is normally no need to use more than one layer on each...
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Thanks again haggisv and also to Tommyzai.

Unfortunately i can't get YES Paste in my country so i have to make do with expensive water based glues and banned glues for now.
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I've used Haifu Blue Whale II on Dawei's IQUL on a Stiga Clipper CR. Worked perfectly, except Clipper CR is known for not gluing well with rubbers. For me, I had to use fine sand paper to sand down the blade prior to gluing the rubber down. As Haggisv said, put one layer at a time, and make sure it drys between each layer. I put 3 layers of Haifu on the rubber and 1 on the blade. Worked fine.
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The Haifu instructions on the bottle were not very good to begin with. I did the recommended of 3 layers on the rubber and 1 on the blade. It wrote "dry for a while"

My mistake and should have let it dry until touch dry then put another layer.
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The instructions on the bottle would be for speed gluing, since it's a speed glue... Since you're not wanting to speed glue but simply gleu the rubber ot the blade (coz of overgluing issues), the procedure is different...
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Softer ones are more easily damaged, as the VOCs can penetrate the sponge more easily, and reach the topsheet where it can do damage or dislodge the topsheet from the sponge...
 
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