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choulee 
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 Topic: 2008 US Open women's finalPosted: 07/19/2008 at 3:57pm |
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Where can I view the video of Gao Jun vs. Ni XiaLian - Women's Singles Final - US Open Table Tennis Tournament? Please let me know. Thank you.
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kenboi
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Posted: 07/19/2008 at 9:56pm |
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go to youtube.com and search for gao jun US open
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choulee
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Posted: 07/19/2008 at 11:05pm |
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There is no "Gau vs Ni" Single Final video. Hope someone will post it soon. Thanks.
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kenboi
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Posted: 07/19/2008 at 11:20pm |
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You are right. I over looked and thought there are videos of them playing. There's a guy who has the videos of the final. He said he'll be posting them when he comes back from a break, roughly 2 weeks.
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liXiao
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Posted: 07/19/2008 at 11:32pm |
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Where was Wang Chen, she is america's best female player~
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kenboi
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Posted: 07/20/2008 at 12:01am |
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Gao Jun used to be the world's top 10. I would love to see Gao Jun playing Wang Chen.
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choulee
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Posted: 07/23/2008 at 12:54pm |
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Could you please ask him to post it into youtube? Thank you.
I remember that Gao Jun played Wang Chen once and lost the match.
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Posted: 07/25/2008 at 11:59am |
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The women's final is on YouTube now, starting here with game 1:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=10Nisw0Dxy8 |
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Posted: 07/25/2008 at 12:47pm |
Well I watched games 1, 3, 5 and once again I am unhappy. Here is a few points I want to make
a) there was barely one point that went longer than 5 hits, and many many of them were simply some almost unforced errors (at least that's how it seems to a regular viewer)
b) two 40-yr old Chinese attackers/blockers playing with pips - that certainly affected the type of play!
c) when younger generation watches this, learns from this and starts to play like this, what happens next? they go to play any international tournament and they get more or less easily destroyed by advanced 2-winged loopers/attackers
d) I wouldn't want to pay for the ticket to watch that match - I mean I would have gone and watched US Open if I could but not for this match. How can we expect people who want to be entertained by an interesting show/sport to come and watch TT if we are showing them this as a US Open final? no wonder many people turn away... I should say however I have no idea what the proper solution is here... in any case it wouldn't be something that will work quickly, that just can't happen
Anyway, to my horror, I start to understand more why ITTF wants to make TT more watchable and tries to implement some ridiculous solutions to that problem - they don't help though...
Sorry about griping... once again, US Open by itself is a great thing, it's just that some women's matches this year are kinda depressing me...
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choulee
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Posted: 07/25/2008 at 1:07pm |
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Thanks a lot for posting it on YouTube. Gau showed us how she got LP player Ni under control in game 1. A great player knows how to handle all types of playing style. Looking forward to seeing remaining games.
Thanks again.
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Posted: 07/25/2008 at 8:11pm |
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hi jimT
this is the irony of pingpong. these women are old, yes. but the young girls cannot defeat them. it is unfortunate. even their ustta ranking are very high with men included.
how many men can defeat these ladies including the us team members. we had a guy here in my city a few months ago. he is like 2500us rating. wins all the local tournament. he loops with all his strength. he was on trip to the dc area and had a chance to play one of these girls gao jun or wen chen at a tournament. he got killed. i don't think he took a game. he didn't know what hit him. poor guy. i guess he taught he could overpower the female player for easy throphy money. he never got a chance.
so the problem is that the standard is too low in the us. in china or any foreign country at least 20 men will be able to defeat these girls. in the us here i don't think 2 men in the national team can put their money it.
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Posted: 07/25/2008 at 10:50pm |
Oh, I understand that perfectly well. I am just saying that this is unfortunate, that younger girls cannot concentrate on TT and train hard enough to beat them. And I wouldn't even mind - after all, who cares if a woman is even 50 years old as long as she kicks butt - if only their style were a bit more ... how should I put that?... interesting. But then again, this is perfectly logical - you cannot expect a 40 yr old player to play the same power game as played by 20-yr olds. I mean, look at He Zhi Wen - he doesn't loop or attack away from the table, not the least because he simply cannot afford to spend that much energy. But nevertheless he is still at 46 one of the best 30 players in the world... |
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Posted: 07/25/2008 at 11:45pm |
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yes
ping pong now has to do with style and experience. the women in usa, imo, are playing a lot harder pingpong than the men. they women are very smart players. the guy i was refering to earlier can probably be rated 2600 or more, but does not play intelligently.
these women players have mastered the pips and so called junk rubbers to remove or diminished power as a wining factor from the game. so it you only relly on power and less on intelligent you will have no chance and will tire out.
in fact about 80% of top female players use some kind of junk rubbers. some men do as you can see mens winner in us 2008 open chen weixing easily defeating his opponents.
these women play in open tournaments with top men included and win. that is why their ratings are high. in other countries if women enter in mens competition, their chances of winning will be close to zero and would not advance past the first few rounds unless the are rated handicap.
i saw a tournament this year and watched as lu ying the semi finalist in the womens us open 2008 defeated owens 3-0. i could not believe what my eyes were seing. she even defeated david zhuang sometime last year, i believe in the us team open in a close game. so it is the mens standard that is horriblely low.
in fact i don't believe any natural born american can defeat probably the top 6 to 10 female. at least not players like mark hazinski in the usa team.
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 12:09am |
I thought she used Sp's on FH? SHe said she used pf4 blade, spin pips, and tsp curl p1-r~ |
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 12:46am |
Check the video - she twiddles all the time. The red rubber seems to be short pips, the black is long pips. When the opponent serves or attacks, she mostly uses long pips. A penholder pips duel is obviously a different kind of match than counterlooping with inverted, and involves a lot of tactics and subtlety. @choulee: the complete match is on YouTube, not just game 1 - search for it, or click on "more from this user" next to the video. |
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 12:52am |
Huh? Many women use short pips on one side, but that's not a "junk rubber." |
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 1:34am |
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yes i watched the warm up match. but are you saying that china cannot produce 50 to 100 men players that can defeat her. pls let me hear your opinion.
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 2:26am |
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defeat her - you mean Gao Jun? Sure, there should be 50 Chinese men able to beat her today, compared to only a couple of US men; no argument there. Obviously the gap between the US and China is huge everywhere, except for Gao Jun and Wang Chen.
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 2:43am |
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i was refering to guo yue in the chinese women olympic warm up match.
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 10:54am |
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I'm just happy there are still some penholders out there~
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 11:41am |
Well she beat Wang Xi, who's certainly one of the 20-30 best Chinese men (maybe a bit weaker than Hou Yingchao but not much). Zhang Yining beat Gao Xin. Ratingscentral.com has some results for these players for comparison. |
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 1:00pm |
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hi
you didn't answer my question directly. vis, do you belive china cannot produce 50 - 100 men that will confidently defeat guo yue or her female chinese mates?
i don't believe everything i see. i believe that was a staged match if he is ranked between 20-30 in chinese men. there was nothing at stage, i guess their rewards were guaranteed.
look at the video again.
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Posted: 07/26/2008 at 1:47pm |
I can't answer your question because there's not enough "evidence" about matches between Chinese men and women to draw on. And I have no idea what the level of #100 in China would be compared to the top 20. As for the second part, why would they stage a win for Guo when the whole point of the event was to be a tough test for the Olympics? If it's fixed in advance it won't do Guo any good in terms of confidence or mental strength. The only possibility would be that they told the men to lose, without telling the women about it - but don't you think Guo and Zhang would have been able to see whether their opponents played seriously? Especially as they know them from training sessions anyway. I think the women's A team routinely plays against the junior men's team. |
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Posted: 07/27/2008 at 2:39am |
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i doubt that it was staged since ma long killed ma lin in the men's warm up, but it was men's
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Posted: 07/29/2008 at 9:57pm |
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Thanks a lot for posting all the games between Gau vs Ni. Ni beat Lu Ying in semifinal. Did you have the games? The current world ranking of Ni is #42, Wang Chen #20 and Gau Jun #25. They all play pips really well. I enjoy watching their games very much.
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Posted: 08/06/2008 at 1:41am |
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Thank you so much for posting games between Ni Xia Lian and Lu Ying. What a show Ni has put on! Quick FH attack and consistent BH are her weapon. She is hard to beat and that's why she's in the women final.
Thank you again.
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