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    Posted: 10/09/2020 at 4:53am
It did not end the way you expect  LOL


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lmao watched this... i feel bad but i actually laughed so hard at the accident!
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That was a fun video. Taiwan seems the place to be these days - good move by Adam and Jiaqi.
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What I like about Adam Bobrow compared to for example Dan from TTD, that he plays 3-4 matches compare to 1, so you can see how they compare a little bit more... :)
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The injury really sucked because I really wanted to see more of the match!!

Adam has a really good formula with his videos. He keeps it fun and exciting with not only the table tennis, but also showing us the country and the people as well.
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

The injury really sucked because I really wanted to see more of the match!!

Adam has a really good formula with his videos. He keeps it fun and exciting with not only the table tennis, but also showing us the country and the people as well.
Yes, he reminds me of Anthony Bourdain from that perspective, he just does table tennis instead of eating but meeting with people and discovering their lifestyle is similarly at the core. "The Layover" and "Parts Unknown" come to mind.

Edit: off topic... The Punjab episode in "Parts Unknown" is awesome. "India is the only place in the world where I could eat veggie every day and be happy about it." When a vegan hears that, it gives them goose bumps. Also in that episode he meets with the (old) grandson of one of the last maharajah who used to be "the cream of the cream, the 1% of the 1%" showing off a palace with little monkeys everywhere. I need to watch it again; and that ride in the loaded train at 5000m altitude!!!


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Adam is somewhat an ambassador for GEWO, payed employee. ITTF makes up for his traveling expenses..
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I-Ching seems nice.  I wonder how much the players get paid.  I mean, there must be an appearance fee of some sort.  They're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.  I say I-Ching would take $500, Lin Yun-Ju and Lin Gaoyuan maybe $1000 each, and Harimoto nothing less than $2500.  What do you guys think?


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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

I-Ching seems nice.  I wonder how much the players get paid.  I mean, there must be an appearance fee of some sort.  They're not doing it out of the goodness of their hearts.  I say I-Ching would take $500, Lin Yun-Ju and Lin Gaoyuan maybe $1000 each, and Harimoto nothing less than $2500.  What do you guys think?


Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi.




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Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi.


Way more? Really? I'm not talking about appearing in a tournament or a corporate event.  I'm talking about only appearing in Bobow's video.  What is your number for the players I listed?
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:


Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi.


Way more? Really? I'm not talking about appearing in a tournament or a corporate event.  I'm talking about only appearing in Bobow's video.  What is your number for the players I listed?

I'd guess they did it for free.  
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:


Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi.


Way more? Really? I'm not talking about appearing in a tournament or a corporate event.  I'm talking about only appearing in Bobow's video.  What is your number for the players I listed?
Those figures look good to me relative to each other but I think we can safely double them. Such a shooting session takes the whole day plus preparation time, that costs something for the players who are professionals who need to respect themselves and get paid for their work.
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Everyone you have seen in these videos from Adam have done it for free. It's about 50-50 him asking the players or the players asking him to do the videos
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...and there lies the hypocrisy, they are superstars and maybe they don't know they are taken ostages by a random ittf journalist who tries to elevate himself to their level. I hope they charge accordingly at least.

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...and there lies the hypocrisy, they are superstars and they don't know they are taken ostages by a random jerkoff.
Hmmm, seems like the new stiltt is not much different than the old FATT. Sometimes it’s better just not to comment when you don’t know the whole story. Lol.
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I do not want to play in a club where you play because you are carrying so much negative energy.
Good luck to you and go to hell too, we shall meet over there, you are such a loser Vince, please, loose yourself! :)
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:


Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi.


Way more? Really? I'm not talking about appearing in a tournament or a corporate event.  I'm talking about only appearing in Bobow's video.  What is your number for the players I listed?

Late response but as I mentioned earlier I think these videos with Adam were done for free. It is a break from routine for them, he has rapport and friendship with a lot of the players, and it is free promotion for them. 

When it comes to purely business appearance fees, the pros charge a lot more. Think at least 5-10x your initial estimates. 
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...and there lies the hypocrisy, they are superstars and maybe they don't know they are taken ostages by a random ittf journalist who tries to elevate himself to their level. I hope they charge accordingly at least.

How exactly are they taken hostage? Lin Yunju and Cheng Iching inviting their friends and family, picking him up from the train station, exchanging jokes, spending days or weekends , having meals together does not exactly sound like a hostage situation to me? Adam has rapport with a lot of these players. I know he is controversial and it is clear how you feel about him, but it is odd to call him a "random ittf journalist" "trying to elevate himself to their level" when he has a bigger following than most of the players. He is actually the one that can help them promote themselves.


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they work more and they get less and it's annoying so i honor if they charge for their time and if they do  am ok.

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Hmm I think he's a net benefit to the sport in general. Has quite infectious enthusiasm, definitely better than a lot of the other boring commentators who talk about mental strength all the time as if they're psychologists lol...

But some of his videos on his YouTube channel are kinda cringe tbh... 
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

I do not want to play in a club where you play because you are carrying so much negative energy.
Good luck to you and go to hell too, we shall meet over there, you are such a loser Vince, please, loose yourself! :)

You don't sound like a very happy person.  I'm not sure what your issues are, but Vince is a very nice guy who does a lot for table tennis.  
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

Originally posted by idk idk wrote:


Hahaha. Not even close to that little. An appearance fee for an event (tournament they have no interest in, or corporate event) is going to be WAY more than that. They likely did these videos for the promotion or just for fun, given that they are friends, possibly facilitated by Adam's friendship with Jiaqi.


Way more? Really? I'm not talking about appearing in a tournament or a corporate event.  I'm talking about only appearing in Bobow's video.  What is your number for the players I listed?

Some time ago I've read in a table tennis FB group I am in about pro salaries. Maybe everyone finds that interesting as I did:


-players who are ~bellow ITTF250+ are playing for food, equipment and a butterfly suit. On a good day, they even may get 100eur for small expenses 
-players around ITTF250 earn on average 12-15000 EUR per season +bonuses for results, so on average around 100eur per victory
-players around ITTF200-250 can expect 15-20000 EUR per season+some bonuses
-players around ITTF150-200 can expect 18-22000 EUR per season+some bonuses
-players around ITTF100-150 can earn up to 30000 per season, on average 25-27000 EUR per season
-Crossing ITTF-100 is an important threshold in Table tennis. Top 100 players salaries start from 30000 eur per season. But it depends upon how stable are you. Whether you are always in the top 100 or if your ranking varies from for example ITTF-120 to ITTF-80...
-players around ITTF-60 and up earn 40-50000 eur per season. Those who are stable above ITTF-50 earn not less then 60000EUR per season
-players around ITTF-20 earn from 60-90000eur per season. But it may vary wildly depending on the results
-top players get 150000-300000 eur per season or more. But, for example, stars like Timo Boll earn much more than that.
Also, players get bonuses for taking first places in various tournaments, so this money usually goes only to top players naturally.

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Yeah. That has been quoted around quite a lot. I suspect Adam's YouTube channel generates a lot more income than most pro players. I personally really like all of his videos :)
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Yeah. That has been quoted around quite a lot. I suspect Adam's YouTube channel generates a lot more income than most pro players. I personally really like all of his videos :)
He before all respects a social contract where he is all 100% clean. He surfs a wave in the most respectable way, he has the right to do so as any human being but I have a hard time when I see superstars submitting to his level for exposure and he brags about it, it is just not fun, it's all about him and I want more from the people he is with, that's where his stance is sick and a waste of time.

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basically if you want to be a good journalist, shed the light on your "opponent", paycheck or not.

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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Yeah. That has been quoted around quite a lot. I suspect Adam's YouTube channel generates a lot more income than most pro players. I personally really like all of his videos :)
He before all respects a social contract where he is all 100% clean. He surfs a wave in the most respectable way, he has the right to do so as any human being but I have a hard time when I see superstars submitting to his level for exposure and he brags about it, it is just not fun, it's all about him and I want more from the people he is with, that's where his stance is sick and a waste of time.

I don't understand why you're angry when other people are having fun.  It looks like Adam and the superstars are having a lot of fun together.  As a bonus the videos show the viewers that superstars are human with a sense of humor.   Adams videos are very good for table tennis.  
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Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Yeah. That has been quoted around quite a lot. I suspect Adam's YouTube channel generates a lot more income than most pro players. I personally really like all of his videos :)

looks not so shabby...




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basically if you want to be a good journalist, shed the light on your "opponent", paycheck or not.

Tbh I totally get stilltt's perspective. It does look a bit shitty if he's not at least sharing some of the video revenues with the players, especially when he also benefited from their hospitality. 
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Originally posted by stiltt stiltt wrote:

Originally posted by mickd mickd wrote:

Yeah. That has been quoted around quite a lot. I suspect Adam's YouTube channel generates a lot more income than most pro players. I personally really like all of his videos :)
He before all respects a social contract where he is all 100% clean. He surfs a wave in the most respectable way, he has the right to do so as any human being but I have a hard time when I see superstars submitting to his level for exposure and he brags about it, it is just not fun, it's all about him and I want more from the people he is with, that's where his stance is sick and a waste of time.

You've nailed why I found quite a few of his videos to be cringe.....just comes off as a self centred showoff....


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