Comparison: H2 NEO(N,C) vs Thors vs H3 NEO(N,C)

I have to wonder if you really did this test because Thors is the fastest of those rubbers and by a long ___long___ no comparison kind of way, spin is similar with all of them, control... Thors is the least since it's the fastest

bluebucket wrote: I have to wonder if you really did this test because Thors is the fastest of those rubbers and by a long ___long___ no comparison kind of way, spin is similar with all of them, control... Thors is the least since it's the fastest

How much boosting was required to get performance that surpassed Thor's unboosted?

danie wrote: I'm gonna compare the H2 NEO(commercial and national) against Palio Thor's and against H3 NEO(commercial and national). Many people said in the Thor's thread that it is better than H3 NEO and H2 NEO, so I decided to make a comparison. I'm a H2 NEO Nat user and the comparison was made all on the same Viscaria having the same 97g weight.  The weight. From heaviest to lightest. This was measured by putting them on my hand, so it might not be that accurate. H2 NEO Nat>H2 NEO Comm>H3 NEO Comm>Thor's>H3 NEO Nat The speed. I remember someone said in the Palio Thor's thread that it is faster than the H3 NEO and H2 NEO, but I felt that it was not. I felt that the H2 NEO Nat was the fastest followed by H3 NEO Nat and then H2 NEO Comm then H3 NEO Comm and last Palio Thor's. I'm not sure why the people in the Palio Thor's thread said differently, even my training partner and coach agreed that the DHS rubbers are faster than the Thor's. Because even with H3 NEO Comm, it felt as fast as Thor's if not faster. And my training partners had more trouble blocking my loops when using the H3 NEO Comm compared to Thor's. And my training partner said that it was faster than Thor's. The spin. Same thing, someone in the Thor's thread said that the spin is much more than the DHS rubbers and is as much as Tenergy 05 on slow loops, very little spin on medium speed loops, and almost as much as Tenergy 05 on fast loops. Well, it is true, but definitely not more than the DHS rubbers. Even the DHS rubbers creates more spin than Tenergy, at least the National versions. The rubber which created the most spin was H3 Neo Nat, followed by H2 NEO Nat, and then Thor's, then H3 NEO Comm and lastly H2 NEO Comm. DHS said that the H2 NEO is better for spin and H3 NEO for speed, I have to concur, me,my training partners and my coach said that H3 NEO is better for spin and H2 NEO is better for speed, so I think DHS has to change the info's about the rubbers. Though we may be wrong. Further observation will be done... Control. Not sure if anyone said that Thor's had more control than the DHS rubbers, but if someone did, I missed it. The rubber with highest control would be H3 NEO Comm, followed by H2 NEO Comm, after that H3 NEO Nat, then H2 NEO Nat, and lastly Thor's.  Short game. Now, this may be an important part of anyone of you out there and may not, but it is important for me. The easiest to control in the short game was H3 NEO Comm, followed by H2 NEO Comm, H3 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Nat and lastly Thor's. The only reason why I rate Thor's last in this is because the sponge is very boucy compared to the others. Looping against topspin. Hmm...Lopping against topspin, H3 NEO Nat would be the easiest, followed by H2 NEO Nat, Thor's, H3 NEO Comm and lastly H2 NEO Comm. Looping against underspin. Well, this would be obvious, as H3 NEO Nat will be first, H2 NEO Nat,H3 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Comm and last would be Thor's. Thor's is last because it is not as tacky as the others thus making it harder to loop underspin. Smashing. Smashing with the Thor's was the easiest, followed by H2 NEO Nat, H3 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Comm, H3 NEO Comm. I guess Thor's was the easiest because of the softer sponge and softer topsheet. Chopping. Well, for this H3 NEO Nat was the easiest, followed by H3 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Comm and lastly Thor's. Thor's was rated last in this because of the bouncy sponge. If you engage the sponge even just a little bit, the chop will pop up and will make it easy for the opponent to make a kill out of it. Pushing. Pushing was the hardest with Thor's as it is hard to get any spin out of it if you just leave your racket face open and not move. With the DHS rubbers, this was not the case, so I would rate H3 NEO Nat followed by H2 NEO Nat, H3 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Comm and then Thor's. Sensitivity. Gosh...Someone in the Thor's thread said that it was better than the DHS rubbers, but it's not true. Thor's sensitivity is worse than the DHS rubbers. It goes H2 NEO Comm, H3 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Nat, H3 NEO Nat then Thor's. Lobbing. Lobbing was easy with Thor's, though I'm still not used to the bouncy sponge, Thor's was definitely easier to lob than with the DHS rubbers. It goes Thor's, H2 NE Nat, H3 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Comm, H3 NEO Comm... Brushing. Brushing was easiest with H3 NEO Nat, then H3 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Comm and Thor's, well, at least for me, since my partner said that it was easier to brush loop with H2 NEO Nat for him.  Serving. Needless to say, Thor's creates more spin on serve when compared to H3 NEO COMMERCIAL, but H3 NEO NATIONAL create more spin on serves, followed by H2 NEO Nat, Thor's, H3 NEO Comm, then H2 NEO Comm. Counter looping. Counter looping was the easiest with the Thor's, though there was less spin with Thor's. From easiest to hardest, it goes Thor's, H2 NEO Nat, H3 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Comm. Counter hitting. Easiest to hardest again. Thor's, H2 NEO Nat, H2 NEO Comm, H3 NEO Nat and H3 NEO Comm. Throw. For me, Thor's had the highest throw angle, followed by H3 NEO then H2 NEO. Mind you I didn't say Nat or Comm because the Throw angle is basicly the same. Conclusion. The DHS Nat rubbers are superior to Thor's in most aspects of the game, and sometimes Thor's are superior to the DHS rubbers. Though Thor's is not a bad rubber, its is definitely not as good as the Nat rubbers from DHS. And I'm not a DHS fan, I just use their rubbers since they suit my style more than Thor's. But this comparison was not only made by me but also with my training partners and my coach(they don't use any of these rubbers). So you can rest assured that this comparison is not one sided. And this comparison was made after 10 hours of comparison. < ="utf-8">Though I used quite a sum of money for getting this rubbers, I am satisfied as I found myself a new rubber. I find that The H3 NEO Nat suits me more than H2 NEO Nat, so I am switching to H3 NEO Nat permanently. If I left anything out, please tell me. And if you disagree with anything, please, feel free to tell me.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, my opinion is that you are a moron.

Lets play a fun game called sh*t on thors. Yea smashing is great with thors and so is lobbing so if you suck thors is great!, but momma said that thors is not good at looping because theres no spin on the ball. Its great at lobbing and smashing because its bouncy but its slower than dhs rubbers because........? Its got a terrible short game compared to dhs rubbers because its too bouncy but its slower than dhs rubbers because......? Thors has less control than dhs rubbers but dhs rubbers are still faster because........? When u push with it, and are lazy as f**k it doesn't create spin, i think i found your problem there. Counter looping is great because theres so little spin, orly. You are not a dhs fan but you buy atleast 4 different dhs rubbers and use them all the time, orly.

But like i said, everyone is entitled to their own opinions. I'm not trying to say that thors is the GOAT, but its definitely better than you make it seem.

TL; DR 
Go post in the thors thread if you have a problem or opinion, thats what that thread is for.

DeIgado wrote: Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, my opinion is that you are a moron.

His opinion is different from yours so he is a moron?

Using your logic, I guess you are a moron as well ;)

I have the same opinion as the OP. H3 NEO is much better than Thors for my game. One of my regular training partner even mentioned that my loops are easier to handle (less spin) with Thors compared with when I am using H3 NEO.

I'd have to agree partially with the original post/er. I won't say on what points, but I will say that the only "improvement" possible for Thor's would be a more tacky topsheet (which might make it last longer), the same soft topsheet, and a harder sponge. But I'd modify H2 Neo to get a similar product.

I am always skeptical about those that say rubber A is spinier than rubber B but has a lower throw.  It is possible only if rubber A is also MUCH faster.

H2 does make more spin than H3 AND is faster but it's only faster and only makes more spin because it travels less distance between point A and point B and doesn't loose so much energy on the bounce since it's coming in on a less harsh angle and effectively gently skids on the table when it lands rather than burning all it's spin landing hard from a big angle. There's no use arguing about it not being more spinny because from your opponents perspective it is :) you can only argue about where it's more spinny.

Edited by bluebucket - 03/31/2011 at 1:32am

pnachtwey wrote: I am always skeptical about those that say rubber A is spinier than rubber B but has a lower throw.  It is possible only if rubber A is also MUCH faster. ThrowAngle=atan(VerticalSpeed/HorizontalSpeed)

The DHS rubbers are so much easier to use it's not even funny but ultimately right now I can play to a higher standard with Thors even if it does need more concentration so that's what I need to have on my blade. I can play half heartily in the local club easier with the DHS stuff but it (the ones I can buy) are not fast enough or as good from the distance I need to when I'm playing someone better than me. You can't improve your rating playing weaker players than yourself and you need a strong rubber to compete with the elite guys that are using, or more accurately, know how to use Tenergy. The only inverted players I've lost to in the last 3 months were all using T05 and all much better players than myself, I have not lost to anyone using a DHS rubber in that time so I can't really see the point in going back to that stuff

Yes Danie....put up a vid of you playing a game, and not lobbing softies back and forth with a partner.  This will give clear understanding of why you made the statements you have with your opinions of what you felt with various equipment.  

QUOTE :Danie

Looping against underspin. Well, this would be obvious, as H3 NEO Nat will be first, H2 NEO Nat,H3 NEO Comm, H2 NEO Comm and last would be Thor's. Thor's is last because it is not as tacky as the others thus making it harder to loop underspin.


  This sentence tells me that this thread is your own fabrication .You should be careful with the words used to structure your sentences like  "obvious " . And with the little phrase there "as H3 Neo will be first "  This sounds like  a bias, a premeditation or better yet a prejudice against Thors.
FYI Prejudice is just another word for prejudgment,which  clearly is what you have done making this review fraudulent.

now that i read the review... i think many other points suggest you may have compared with a thor's sheet before it broke in. 

Well the packaging of Thors is better than all the others. IN MY OPINION

I wouldn't say he is wasting our time. As he helped me to kill 20mins on my long break from work today.