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    Posted: 04/23/2007 at 4:08pm
Thought some people might be interested in what EEII does to a rubber. The rubber I used was DHS Skyline 3.

Right after application of first layer


8 hours later


24 hours later


24 hours after application of second layer of EEII


24 hours after application of third layer


Different view


Right now I'm working on a sheet of Sriver FX, but it's got no protective layer so I got some of the EEII on my topsheet and the topsheet started melting. Hopefully it'll return to normal if I just let it sit for a few days...

After playing around with this stuff, it does seem a lot like baby oil as people have mentioned before. Anyone out there who has tried baby oil on their rubbers?
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nice sets of photos.. sort of like a great scientist.. before and after pictures..

are you sure you are not an engineer?... what is your ISO number on this process... LOL..

anyways.. i have to try the baby oil thing on a junk sheet of rubber first.. i have to get the glue removed then try it..
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i have also read that some people are trying it though i don't know the results..


nice work.. let us know how it played.. and how long it lasts..

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Great pics rpber. I also put some EEII on a couple sheets last night but have yet to get any results. I guess it's important to give it time to react and not be in a rush. That seems to be my problem-- I'm impatient waiting for the expansion. I have 2 coats on and should see some doming tonight, 24 hours after the second application.
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After such a dome,I am curious how are you going to make it stay on the blade.I had serious problems even with  smaller dome
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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

After such a dome,I am corious how are you going to make it stay on the blade.I had serious problems with even smaller dome



i don't think the dome is that huge if you pull the plastic protect sheet off the surface..

that holds the rubber from stretching.. so less dome..

but rubber cement will hold it down.. and maybe not.. LOL

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Originally posted by Kolev Kolev wrote:

After such a dome,I am corious how are you going to make it stay on the blade.I had serious problems with even smaller dome

I use Yasaka Clicky Press to keep EE2 treated rubbers stay on the blade.
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Hm... what I once thought was a very nice dome is looking very puny after seeing GenomicsKnight's pics in the other EEII topic. I haven't glued the rubber yet, still debating whether or not to do another layer of EEII. What do you guys think? I'm used to using pretty well glued H3, not sure how that translates to number of layers of EEII on Skyline 3 though. The rubber's going to go on a pretty soft blade(Yasaka GE) anyway so... another layer should be fine right?
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the dome looks good.If you are use to a more doming effect from your speed glue then i would try another layer.Has it stopped doming from the first coat?I have heard some people say that stuff can take up to 48 hrs.
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Originally posted by rpber rpber wrote:

Hm... what I once thought was a very nice dome is looking very puny after seeing GenomicsKnight's pics in the other EEII topic. I haven't glued the rubber yet, still debating whether or not to do another layer of EEII. What do you guys think? I'm used to using pretty well glued H3, not sure how that translates to number of layers of EEII on Skyline 3 though. The rubber's going to go on a pretty soft blade(Yasaka GE) anyway so... another layer should be fine right?

I ended up putting 4+ layers of EE2 on H3, Skyline 3, and Skyline 2.  The first 2 layers are really thick/wet coat.  The next 2 layers are medium to thin coat.  The last layer was so thin that it was intended as a touch-up coat only.  So I didn't count it as a real complete layer.

You probably have already noticed that it becomes quite difficult to apply new coats on as the rubber starta to curl.  To remedy this problem I put two rubbers back-to-back (sponge against sponge) and put some heavy object on top to keep them down while waiting for EE2 to dry up.

Skyline 3 and H3 stayed on my GE 3D fine, but I did have to get some glue build-up (2 even coats of regular glue should be fine) on the sponge in order to get them to stay on the blade.
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you're not suppose to put 2 or 3 layers of EE. This is how it works. I got this instruction from a professionaland i found out it work really well. I did have same problem like that with my Yasaka Extend and Sriver FX. With that experience, I do not face with such problem.
First, EE is very effective and good as long as you apply it right and correct. I do not think it works for SOFT rubbers like Yasaka Extend or Sriver FX if you put a lot of layers. It works for such rubbers like Sriver EL, Bryce...very well. You actually only need to apply one layer. If your rubber is brand new, make sure you already applied and let it dry at least 3 layers of speed glue. After that, put a little of EE and use your finger tip of your index finger to spread EE out evenly on the sponge. If you need more EE then get little more at a time. Do not soak it with plenty of EE. Just enough to spread out evenly and cover all part. Let it dry for at least 48 hours. It must be 95% dry before you can apply 1 or 2 layers of speed glue again after 48 hours and glue to your blade.
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Hi, could you please tell me where I can order buy Ecolo Expander II in Canada or in the States (I am worrying about shipping) 
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Originally posted by tt12 tt12 wrote:

Hi, could you please tell me where I can order buy Ecolo Expander II in Canada or in the States (I am worrying about shipping) 

You can buy it from PaddlePalace and I believe they can ship to Canada.  EE2 is nonflammable, so it's safe to ship it by any means.
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Originally posted by trankev trankev wrote:

you're not suppose to put 2 or 3 layers of EE. This is how it works. I got this instruction from a professionaland i found out it work really well. I did have same problem like that with my Yasaka Extend and Sriver FX. With that experience, I do not face with such problem.
First, EE is very effective and good as long as you apply it right and correct. I do not think it works for SOFT rubbers like Yasaka Extend or Sriver FX if you put a lot of layers. It works for such rubbers like Sriver EL, Bryce...very well. You actually only need to apply one layer. If your rubber is brand new, make sure you already applied and let it dry at least 3 layers of speed glue. After that, put a little of EE and use your finger tip of your index finger to spread EE out evenly on the sponge. If you need more EE then get little more at a time. Do not soak it with plenty of EE. Just enough to spread out evenly and cover all part. Let it dry for at least 48 hours. It must be 95% dry before you can apply 1 or 2 layers of speed glue again after 48 hours and glue to your blade.


That's interesting, I would think that putting some glue on the rubber before you apply EEII would lessen the effect. Does this method create a better effect?
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Originally posted by trankev trankev wrote:

you're not suppose to put 2 or 3 layers of EE. This is how it works. I got this instruction from a professionaland i found out it work really well. I did have same problem like that with my Yasaka Extend and Sriver FX. With that experience, I do not face with such problem.
First, EE is very effective and good as long as you apply it right and correct. I do not think it works for SOFT rubbers like Yasaka Extend or Sriver FX if you put a lot of layers. It works for such rubbers like Sriver EL, Bryce...very well. You actually only need to apply one layer. If your rubber is brand new, make sure you already applied and let it dry at least 3 layers of speed glue. After that, put a little of EE and use your finger tip of your index finger to spread EE out evenly on the sponge. If you need more EE then get little more at a time. Do not soak it with plenty of EE. Just enough to spread out evenly and cover all part. Let it dry for at least 48 hours. It must be 95% dry before you can apply 1 or 2 layers of speed glue again after 48 hours and glue to your blade.

The instructions on the bottle clearly state that if the doming effect is not sufficient, repeat the coating process (ie, put on more layers of EE2).
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lol, just dont follow trankev's instructions, no offense, but thats pretty much opposite to everything =P
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Just used the rubbers on Thursday night. Forehand Skyline 3 (4 layers EEII) and backhand Sriver FX(3 layers) on Penhold Yasaka GE. Skyline was ridiculously fast, a bit hard to handle. It didn't really feel like speed glued rubber though, the additional speed and sound were there but the ball didn't seem to sink into the sponge as much as it would for speed glued H3. Sriver FX was hard to differentiate from a speed glued version of itself though.  
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This is great to know about Sriver FX.  One reason the Skyline might have felt different is EE2 doesn't _soften_ the sponge, just expands it; in contrast, speed glue will soften the sponge significantly.  Using EE2 on sponges that are soft to begin with is said to more closely approximate the speed glue effect.
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Originally posted by chronos chronos wrote:

This is great to know about Sriver FX.  One reason the Skyline might have felt different is EE2 doesn't _soften_ the sponge, just expands it; in contrast, speed glue will soften the sponge significantly.  Using EE2 on sponges that are soft to begin with is said to more closely approximate the speed glue effect.

Completely aligned with my empirical findings so far.
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Is there something other than speed glue that would soften the sponge then?
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Get a rubber with a softer sponge...
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i'm assuming if you love sriver el w/ glue, then it'll be safe to use fx with eeII? i'm gonna stop gluing after nationals... maybe i'll get some fx
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Get a rubber with a softer sponge...

Originally posted by 7homuz 7homuz wrote:

i'm assuming if you love sriver el w/ glue, then it'll be safe to use fx with eeII? i'm gonna stop gluing after nationals... maybe i'll get some fx

That would be my next experiment.  If you guys get to try it out first, please share your findings.  So far I think we are postulating that applying EE2 on soft sponge rubber sheet should have the similar effect as if the speed glue were applied instead.
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here is my massive dome on some speedy spin rubber...any my markV...

3 coats applied in 4 days.. took my time..







and the racket clamp needed to glue this massive dome down...LOL





all and all one bottle of this EEII will last you about 3-5 years !!!

30-40 percent gain in speed and spin..

ok i guess.. really not a speed glue replacement..

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Does this need to be applied to new rubbers only?

Or, can it be applied to rubbers that have been speed glue'd?
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It is best used on new rubbers or rubbers which have just had the glue peeled off. If you put it on top of some glue it still works but it takes more layers to get a good dome and the glue turns into a horrible sticky mess.
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How is the actual effect? It's OK that it domes, but what is the result?

How much increase in spin?
How much increase in speed?

How is the feeling?

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