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peter79
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Try Nittaku Fast Arc G1 |
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masterbuten
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Thanks for the suggestion peter79! Unfortunately I don't think it is available on pingpongonline.com where I mostly get my stuff here in the Philippines.
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Vlad0
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Recently i decided to try my old love - 75 gr. Violin how good is with the new balls. I put a spare Rasant (actualy i play with Rasant since then, cause it was the best mach i found with a Violin for me) on it and wow... so good that i started to bother my mind , what was the reason to put it off? Maybe it wasn't so good before. Maybe i have to leave my TBS and return back to it ? .... And i bought myselve Viscaria for Christmas to find are there any differences with a TBS. Damn EJ
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zeroencore
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Join club! I got a acoustic C-pen, custom order.
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jonyer1980
Gold Member Joined: 07/30/2008 Location: Spain Status: Offline Points: 1600 |
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Don't you feel Violin is outdated for a power looper with new PB?
I loved it, but traded mine because I need too much power to finish the rallies... |
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Rosewood V FL
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arg0
Platinum Member Joined: 07/22/2009 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2023 |
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Hi Clan Members, I was trying to find evidence that Nittaku use hide glue for the String series. The print on the blades and the ads I saw say they use same techniques and technology as in strings instruments manufacturing, but not the type of glue. I have talked to instrument makers and they tend not to use hide glue any longer because there are better and more convenient alternatives, nowadays. I went as far as translating some of Nittaku's advertising images from Japanese by using OCR, but could not find any reference to hide glue. Maybe we have to debunk a myth?
The secret of Violin & co. is likely still in the glue and/or glueing process, just... it may not be hide glue. Anyone knows for sure? |
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jonyer1980
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Marketing... That all folks |
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Rosewood V FL
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arg0
Platinum Member Joined: 07/22/2009 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2023 |
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Hello fatt, thanks for your kind words and the challenge. Unfortunately, as much as I would like to dig deeper into the issue, I simply lack the time, not to mention the skill, to prepare an interview. Moreover, even if I had, I feel I am not very competent in talking about the new ball. In the last two years I had little time to practice TT and I feel I simply don't have enough experience with it. I truly hope you will contact him and continue the interview. There's a lot to learn from his experience! This said, I was actually interested in the secret of Violin. It does play and feel unlike any other blade I tried. I especially love the way it vibrates. Even Acoustic and Tenor feel completely different and muted in comparison (which is good or bad, depending on your taste). Yinhe E-4 has similar construction to Violin but plays very different. Nexy Lissom has white ash top plies, but different construction: it's a spin machine, but it's not a Violin. So if Violin's secret is not the white ash plies, and not the hide glue, what is it then? My suspicion is that it still in the special type of glue that is used, that permeates deeply in the wood without creating a "layer" like epoxy. Just, it's likely not hide glue. But I'm just speculating... |
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arg0
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Never saw any reference to hide glue in Nittaku's ads. As to the rest, see my previous post. |
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arg0
Platinum Member Joined: 07/22/2009 Location: Germany Status: Offline Points: 2023 |
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And while we're at it, I found this image in an ad from Nittaku for the strings series blades.
Below is the result of my attempt of translating the above text. Note that I cannot speak or read a word of Japanese. I tried to OCR the above text, adjusted the characters/logograms until they looked right to my untrained eye, and the ran in trhough google translate. If anyone reads japanese, please correct my translation. Thanks. 弦楽器製造技術 イメ-ジ 木自体の水分の通り道である「造管」の内 部奥探くまで接着剤を浸透させる技術で、 弦楽器の製造に用いられます。 微細な凸凹に特殊接着剤が均一に入り込 み、合板同士が引き寄せちれー体化する ことで、硬さのバラツキがなくスイ一卜エ リアが広がります。 独特の芯があるような打球感で、繊紬な ボ一ルタッチと安定した威力ある弾みを 可能にします。 String Maker Manufacturing Technology Image Within the "pipe making" which is the path of the moisture of the tree itself By penetration of the adhesive in the back of the part, It is used to manufacture string instruments. Special adhesive gently enters fine asperity Only, plywood attracts each other By doing so, there is no variation in hardness, The rear spreads. With a sense of shot feel like having a unique core, Ball touch and stable and powerful momentum We will make it possible. ラケット野面 Racket Face ※図 よイメ一ジです。 (one symbol is missing) It is a picture 一体化 Integration 接着剤 Adhesive 木材 Wood 引き寄せ Attract 浸透 Infiltration |
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gekogark1212
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Just whipped out my violin too. Not sure why I stopped using it.
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arg0
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Just in case you wonder whether Violin has a milled handle or not... it does. At least the LG version.
Yesterday my Violin slipped out of my hand and dropped to the floor while I was collecting it from the table and one handle part broke off. Just so. It must have fallen on a tsubo, as I never thought that a handle may come off so easily. Now I wonder what glue I should use to glue the parts back together. Though there is no evidence that Nittaku actually uses hide glue for their strings series (see my previous posts), I would still be more comfortable in using hide glue than others, just in case. However, since using real hide glue is cumbersome and I never did before, I thought of maybe getting some Titebond Liquid Hide Glue, instead. Any advice? (Note: I know I have to sand the surfaces, prior to applying glue.) |
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jonyer1980
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Well I'm back to this club after 5 years in a row playing with Rosewood V.
I was trying my spare acoustic for a while the other day and immediately felt in love with it. It's almost as fast a RWV but way easier to control, specially for short game, so now I'm able to land on the table a few balls more than before, and my overall game is more balanced right now. Maybe I don't have the raw power as before, but its a wiser choice for anyone that can't train more than 4h a week. |
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Rosewood V FL
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stiltt
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JoeB
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I would strongly endorse Elmer's Professional Wood glue. I have used it on handle and other blade repairs with great results. The bond will be stronger than the original wood itself. Joe
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jonyer1980
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I meant Acoustic, not Violin . I loved violin before the glue ban, I would surely keep using it if I could speed glue or add some boosters but I feel it's kinda slow for modern power loopers |
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Rosewood V FL
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Alx
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Can you guys tell me what rubbers you are using on your Acoustic Carbon blade?
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jpenmaster
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I am using Tenergy 80
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jonyer1980
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Mid-hard rubbers will be nice on Acoustic since it´s quite soft blade.
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Rosewood V FL
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gekogark1212
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I took two sets off someone 300 rating points above me with violin and R47
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(='.'=) But there's no sense crying over every mistake, (")_(") You just keep on trying till you run out of cake. |
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stiltt
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Yesterday night I tested a vega tour with omega v Asia 2.0 fh and rasanter r47 bh. I needed 5 games v. a strong 1800 friend I beat 3-0 last time with the violin + r47 2.0 x2. Then I went back with that violin setup and played a strong 2k, won 3-1 after leading 2-0. The opening loop is the best that setup does while I was not often too long like the match before.
The spin of r47 on a flexy 5-ply is phenomenal and we're talking about rubbers that are 2.5 months! BEST COMBO EVER!!! |
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jonyer1980
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after my comeback to Acoustic I realized why I quit using using it. It's quite head heavy and I don't like the gap at your hand grabbing the handle.
My RWV has exactly the same weight but the master handle is way better and feels more balanced. Those that own Acoustic L-Size, how's the shape of FL L-Size handle? Is it's squarish or rounded type? Has it got the same issue being so head heavy?
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Rosewood V FL
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Kolev
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The reason I didn't buy me an Acoustic was the popular opinion that the blade is head heavy. Recently I bought a Latika FL and although people were saying it is head heavy as well I found it to be reasonable with Aeolus(very heavy) and T64. BTW this blade is maybe the best in a period of extensive testing and EJ'ing. Simply love it
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arg0
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fatt, JoeB,
thanks. I finally repaired my Violin using hide glue. Real hide glue, not liquid hide glue. It was not straightforward, and I had to do some tests on some scrap pieces of wood until I got the viscosity and the speed right, but I learned a lot. All, to finally answer the question of whether Nittaku use hide glue for their strings series blades, I plan to get one and heat it up to 55-60 C: if there's hide glue, it will melt, the layers will detach, and the blade will be wrecked. For obvious reasons I'm not willing to do this with my Violins. So I'm looking for an Acoustic, Violin, Tenor, or Vio(lo)ncello in poor, very poor, or broken condition. If you have one, let me know via PM. Blade must be original: ideally, you have proof of purchase from a reliable shop. If you want to know, too, and want to contribute, you may toss me a few bucks via PayPal. I will then get an original blade from an official Nittaku reseller for the test. If the blade does not come apart, I will sell it and return the money. Edited by arg0 - 10/28/2017 at 3:51pm |
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Halon X
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Hi I would like to join this clan if not to late :)
My Violin LG FL and Acoustic Carbon Inner LG FL will arrive soon I also would like to ask if you also seal the handle of Violin and Acoustic? Is orange oil safe to use for sealing the handle? |
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kindof99
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It was said that Acoustic is a improved violin. But the wood structure is totally different. Acoustic does not have ash top layer, right?
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aeoliah
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Acoustic has limba outer, Violin has White Ash outer.
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arg0
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Not kidding, but I'm not planning to build my own blades. I just want to know the truth about Violins and hide glue. It would be safer to start with Violin Carbon (the carbon layers are most certainly not glued with hide glue, as it does not stick to composite fibres), but there's a chance that the intermediate layers are glued to the core with hide glue, so I won't do this to my Violin Carbon either... at least not before I have finished testing it. But if I tried, and it resisted heating up to 55-60C, we would still not know whether the original Violin is glued with hide glue. But at least the VC would not have been harmed. |
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sanwei2018
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What best rubber for violin blade? I am an offensive player
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