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    Posted: 02/15/2009 at 12:54pm
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I am new in this forum and I am looking for rubbers which are fast and which I can use to play topspins with a long arm movement - like Wang Liqin, Ma Lin etc. There is a huge amount of tacky rubbers offered in the internet but somehow I dont trust the describtions. Currently I play the Tenergy on my forehand so I am searching for a rubber thats quickness comes close to this rubber.
Do you know for example the different palio rubbers and could you comment on them? I am just mentioning the palios cause they are quite cheap...Wink
Hope you can help me since in german forums nearly nobody plays with chinese rubbers...
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Tacky rubbers will do the trick..
The best is Hurricanes, IMO, but they needed to be speed glued to speed them up. So if you want a Tacky rubber that the speed is close to Tenergy, post glue era, Haifu BW II Factory Tuned is the closest. It's not as good as the Hurricanes speed glued, but it's quite good.
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Globe National (black) is also  a good rubber .
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Originally posted by Ciprian Ciprian wrote:

Globe National (black) is also  a good rubber .

Yes, I agree with this one also.. needs gluing/tuning though.. the sponge is rock hard without it..
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Yes, the sponge is hard  .I didn't use SG on it. I played today with it after a while and still has a good spin.
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In general anything tacky is good.  Here are some rubbers that might work listed in order of speed(slowest to fastest, unglued).
     Globe 999
     729 SP Transcend
     Hurricane 2
     LKT Rapid Speed
     729-5 (I use this) 
   You can straight arm loop with Tenergy05 also, but it may be a bit fast.
   Edit: I don't recommend Globe 999 National version without glue/tuner. It's the hardest rubber I've ever used yet still manages to play very slow; it reminded me of PF-4.
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Thank you for your nice responses ! Im am especially interestet in these Friendship rubbers. @danhs :  What exactly is your playing style with the 729-5? Do you recommend this rubber?
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Originally posted by Big_Maama Big_Maama wrote:

Thank you for your nice responses ! Im am especially interestet in these Friendship rubbers. @danhs :  What exactly is your playing style with the 729-5? Do you recommend this rubber?

     See the thread I started on this rubber on February 7: "729-5...Good Stuff". I highly recommend it (the rubber; not the thread).
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You may want to try Xiom Zeta (Asian) max.  It's not tacky, but very grippy, has a high throw, and plays like a Chinese tacky rubber.  However, it's very fast (close to Tenergy) and lighter than Chinese rubbers.
 
It's not cheap though, and my sheet is showing wear and tear after just 2 months of play (about 60 hours).
 
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how much is haifu?
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i'm still a little surprised to see globe 999 black recommended as a tacky topsheet.
 
i would say it's a good rubber for looping. but i wouldn't call it tacky. nowhere near ritc 2000
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and if you're looking for high speed without speed gluing, i'd give quattro sponge a try
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Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

i'm still a little surprised to see globe 999 black recommended as a tacky topsheet.
 
i would say it's a good rubber for looping. but i wouldn't call it tacky. nowhere near ritc 2000
ShockedAll the sheets of 999 I've encountered have been at least as tacky as Tackspeed 2000. Perhaps you got a bad sheet? Or perhaps mine were extra good.Wink
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729 SP is a soft tacky topsheet. Combine that topsheet with a Dawei Quattro sponge and the speed element will be added. I play with this combination and have stuck to it for the past 5-6 months. That's a long time for me. That combo gives me all the spin I could want and good away from the table looping. Costs $15 for the 729 SP and whatever Cole charges for the Quattro sponge now. You only have to separate the top from the sponge and attach it to the Quattro.
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Not to be combative dans, but I've never seen a 999 that was as tacky as a ritc2000.

Nor does stickiness have any bearing on quality, at least not necessarilly.

Oh, and I've not seen SP sold by itself in more than a year.
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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Not to be combative dans, but I've never seen a 999 that was as tacky as a ritc2000.

Nor does stickiness have any bearing on quality, at least not necessarilly.

Oh, and I've not seen SP sold by itself in more than a year.
Your post did not offend me and this reply is not meant to be combative either. 
    You should know best about the 2000, but none of the sheets I used(I wore out about 4 sheets-I did like it) seemed that tacky to me. Maybe the low throw and lack of insane spin fooled me.
      I know that stickiness doesn't  necessarily have any bearing on quality.  I only mentioned it because the original poster was asking about rubbers suitable for a chinese-style straight-arm loop.  In my experience very few non-tacky rubbers fit this description, even tenergy05 is only so-so.  Trying to loop this way  powerfully with a low throw rubber is a recipe for diagonal cartwheels (sorry-I just got a visual). I am aware that not all tacky rubbers are high throw, but I do believe that the highest-throwing rubbers are tacky. 
     Feel free to disagree, I'm wrong several times a day at least.  Like Socrates, I hold it a greater gain to be refuted than to refute.Embarrassed

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Originally posted by danhs danhs wrote:

Originally posted by the_theologian the_theologian wrote:

i'm still a little surprised to see globe 999 black recommended as a tacky topsheet.
 
i would say it's a good rubber for looping. but i wouldn't call it tacky. nowhere near ritc 2000
ShockedAll the sheets of 999 I've encountered have been at least as tacky as Tackspeed 2000. Perhaps you got a bad sheet? Or perhaps mine were extra good.Wink
 
I think the sheets I got were fine (I received a new red and black sheet from Cole). I mean, they were slightly tacky, but not close to 2000 or GeoSpin Tacky... actually not even as tacky as LKT Torrent.
 
The black sheet of 2000 that I've been playing with for a couple months can still hold a DHS 3* ball upside down for as long as I want it to.
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my best guess is Haifu Whale II tuned or wait for the new DHS rubbers with glue effect.

you can still do a chinese forehand with tenergy just fine.

if you do want that extreme spin, wait for the new DHS rubbers.
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And what do you think of the Palio CJ 8000 Biotech
(39-41 Grad Version) ?  It�s tacky and following the desribtion it is quite fast. Did you gain any experience with this rubber?
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the_theologian-you are probably right saying RITC 2000 is tackier than Globe but who said it isn't.WinkI know that my Globe National ( black) is tacky.
Big_Maama - asked for tacky rubbers not for the tackiest rubber.
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The XIOM ZETA ASIAN may be a good choice for you.

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Originally posted by varghesep varghesep wrote:

The XIOM ZETA ASIAN may be a good choice for you.

 
zeta is an excellent rubber but it's too soft for die hard chinese fans.
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Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

 
zeta is an excellent rubber but it's too soft for die hard chinese fans.
 
Are you talking about the Asian version?  It feels quite hard to me.  In fact, that's one of the things I don't like about it, and why I'm going to try Tenergy next.
 
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if you get a chinese efffect rubber, you'll just have to end up retuning it anyway like i started bitching about in the BW2 journal thread. Whether it's Blue Whale II.. or the new DHS glue effect rubbers that are coming out eventually.
 
The rubber I used to use which is faster that BW2 untuned is 729-2 sensor. They are equally tacky, and the 729-2 sensor is a smidge softer.. but its a few steps faster. Not as fast as the tuned BW2.. so its in between tuned and untuned BW2.
 
H2 is a good example of a very tacky low throw rubber.. its tackier than h3 right?
 
side question.. how tacky is TG3 in comparison to H3? I might start playing the TG3 #21 and start tuning it if its better than BW2. I still like BW2 regardless of if i have to tune it.. but i still want something tackier.
 
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Originally posted by Aquaman Aquaman wrote:

Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

 
zeta is an excellent rubber but it's too soft for die hard chinese fans.
 
Are you talking about the Asian version?  It feels quite hard to me.  In fact, that's one of the things I don't like about it, and why I'm going to try Tenergy next.
 


Ive read a few reviews of the Xiom Zeta and it appears to me the rubber is quite fast - maybe as fast as my tenergy (or close to it). As i read its not tacky but has  a high grip... do you really think that suffices to play the chinese Topspins? I mean, normally you say that you need tacky rubbers to play a very good long-arm Topspin (?)
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Yes.
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Originally posted by Ciprian Ciprian wrote:

the_theologian-you are probably right saying RITC 2000 is tackier than Globe but who said it isn't.


Ciprian,

danhs did, several posts up:

"ShockedAll the sheets of 999 I've encountered have been at least as tacky as Tackspeed 2000. Perhaps you got a bad sheet? Or perhaps mine were extra good.Wink"
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Originally posted by Aquaman Aquaman wrote:

Originally posted by Skyline Skyline wrote:

 
zeta is an excellent rubber but it's too soft for die hard chinese fans.
 
Are you talking about the Asian version?  It feels quite hard to me.  In fact, that's one of the things I don't like about it, and why I'm going to try Tenergy next.
 
 
Yeah I'm talking about the Asian version. Do you really think Zeta Asian is quite hard? OMG!! Wait until you try tenergy that's like rock hard.
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A new thought just came to my mind ;) . Would it be possible to take the sponge of my current tenergy and put it together with a chinese topsheet?
Since today ive tried the first time to loop like the chinese players with the tenergy and all in all it worked out well. I could imagine that it would work even better with a tacky topsheet.. What do you think of this idea?
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Its a good idea and there is a thread about it, just dont try to iron it or put it in boiling water, yes youll be able to separate them but they will be worthless.  go slowly with acetone (nail polish remover)
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