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Reviews: K-5+ BW2+ Palio CJ8000 Biotech |
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anubhav1984
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Posted: 08/17/2009 at 6:11am |
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Disclaimer:- The below mentioned views/reviews are based on my personal findings and they bear no similarity whatsoever with any other reviews mentioned on this forum. The combination in test here is:- A bit of introduction on my playing style:- I can perform almost all the table tennis strokes mentioned in the book. I prefer to loop kill the ball as and when i get a chance from FH side. From the backhand side, i try to mix my game as much as possible. I punch block from BH, and more often than not, also loop kill from the backhand side too. I will go step by step in evaluating the combination. Hence, i will first write about my views on the blade, then each of the rubbers. Galaxy K-5 :- You must lightly seal it with water based glues in order to avoid the chances of it being splintered. |
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anubhav1984
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Haifu Blue Whale 2 - 39 deg (Factory Tuned):- Now i will compare this rubber with a H3, which I had personally tuned/boosted. A bit of introduction on the boosting process:- I had applied approximately 12-13 layers of lamp oil (Kerosene) each on the sponge and the top sheet. The rubber had stretched almost an inch. I had to cut the excess out. I am not exaggerating when i say an inch. It had literally stretched/expanded that much. Speed:- H3(personally tuned) almost = BW2 But trust me, there is no possibility of being able to play this sheet of H3(personally tuned) in a tournament. It has deadly amounts of VOC in it because of the tuning process. I aired out the racket for 5-7 days, but the nasty smell does not go at all. Throw angle:- The throw angle of BW2 is slightly on the higher side. It is pretty similar to H3 in this respect. Looping any amount of backspin is almost effortless. With tensors, that i have tried, it is not so easy to loop backspin balls as it is with BW2. I do not intend to say that looping backspin balls is in any manner a difficult task when it comes to tensors. All i am trying to say here is that with BW2 it is much easier. I personally feel that it has to do something with the Throw Angle of BW2 which is slightly on the higher side. Overall, this rubber gets a 9.5/10 from me. The 0.5 that i have deducted is because of the fact that it still lacks a bit in speed. This rubber has a lot of gears, the only thing missing is the Top Speed gear (again, this might be due to the removal of the tuning layer). A bit off topic here:- Can some one please tell me the difference between a Factory Tuned and Ordinary BW2? Is it just the speed? or is there some difference in other characteristics too? |
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anubhav1984
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Palio CJ8000 Biotech 36-38 deg:- The sponge also has this tinge of purple in it. It is not clear/cream white. When you look at the exhaustive review about BW2 above and compare CJ8000 with it, Palio CJ8000 might look a bit dull. But don't be fooled. I can definitely say that you cannot go wrong with this rubber anyhow. I played with BW2 on the BH for a short while and loved it too. I know that BW2 is a FH rubber, but i can definitely say that is would make a lovely BH rubber. I am already planning to buy another sheet of BW2. I just want to know in detail the difference between normal BW2 and Factory Tuned BW2. If the difference is only there when the tuning layer is there, then i guess i have played with an ordinary (non-tuned) BW2 and my experiences should be accounted accordingly.
But if the tuning is built into the sponge, i guess, i will then have to go with Factory Tuned version again. Please do answer my question! |
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anubhav1984
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No comments yet !! Very strange!!
People: Please make sure to leave your comments about my reviews!! I am dying to hear something about the reviews!
It took me a long long time to write this!
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sadius
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Nice review
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pongcrazy
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Thanks for the info... very helpful!
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silverhair
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Good enough review to make me consider BW2 or a different tacky rubber like Hadou Biotech (something I avoided in the past - bad experience 15 years ago). |
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Imago
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Excellent and very helpful reviews. Thank you, Anubhav!
I didn't notice any glue layer on my BW sponge, but still did not use any glue on it - only on the blade. So cannot say the difference between tuned and not-tuned. For me BW II is an interesting alternative to FH H2. The cracking sound will disappear in 2-3 weeks, I had the same worries with my H2 and H3 rubbers lavishly speed-glued by my seller without my sanction.
In the beginning, BW held the ball for 16 seconds but after several clean-ups everything went to normal.
PS. Today, I tried a pair of Kokutaku Bluetenkirsche 868 for $ 3.90 each on my old Vietnamese blade dated 1972. It boosted like Double HK. Now I wonder why should we spend 10 or 100 times more money to get the same effect... And ordered another 10 KB 868 rubbers.
Now looking for my outdated webby paddles to revitalize them.
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anubhav1984
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silverhair:- If speed is what you want out of a rubber, then i guess BW2 won't be able to amuse you anyhow. However, if you can generate your own speed, or have a carbon blade that can do it for you, it is going to be a good buy for sure. It is more spinny than any other rubber i have tried till date. But yeah, the speed is much slower than Mark V too, but still much better than most of those chinese tacky sheets out there. Make sure that you give it enough time to let the tackyness wear off a bit.
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anubhav1984
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Imago:- I guess that your BW2 version was not the Factory Tuned one. Did it have a transparent sheet of plastic on top of the sponge which had Haifu written in red diagonally all over it? If this plastic sheet was not there with Haifu written on it, you can very well assume that yours was a non tuned version.
Any idea about the speed? Will it increase ever? Mine is almost grippy now. It is no longer suitable to call it tacky. I cleaned it thoroughly with water to remove the tackyness. Is there anything that i can do to increase the speed of this rubber? |
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silverhair
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I believe that speed should be a function of technique, less dependent on equipment. Spin is a little different since it is also a function of the rubber used, but still dependent on good technique. |
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anubhav1984
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What i mean to say is that compared to Mark V you would not be able to get enough speed. The ball just doesn't get that flying speed. The tensors are also pretty good at this. I know that the speed of the shot is dependent on technique, but still, with the same technique you would get more speed out of Mark V and the tensors. I hope it clarifies! |
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silverhair
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It does.
I have ordered 2 sheets each (r + b) of CJ8000 Biotech 39 - 41, HK1997 36 - 38 and HK1997 39 - 41. Just curious as to what to expect. I also have a couple of new sheets of Mark V 2.0 (r + b). I've used the Mark V in the past and know how it behaves. |
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anubhav1984
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silverhair:- Out of curiosity! Which hard tacky rubber did you have a bad experience with?What was so bad about it?
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silverhair
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It was 15+ years ago and I can't remember what I had for breakfast.
I recall that the rubber was very sticky / tacky, but the sponge was very dead feeling and slow compared to what I was using (probably Mark V or Tornado). It was supposed to be a looping-attacking rubber. I think it was Friendship 729 (sounds familiar) but I could be wrong. I was very disappointed. I think I switched to Asti (?) rubber or maybe Mark V. Since that time, I've been strictly EJ, mostly Donic rubbers. I particularly enjoy hitting with F3 Big Slam just for the fun it helps generate. Maybe its time to try tacky rubber again? |
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anubhav1984
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silverhair:- The friendship 729 definitely has a dead feeling sponge. But it does come alive with speed glue. It reacts to gluing and boosting very well.
Anyways, that is banned now. BW2 sponge is much more livelier and springier than the Friendship sponge. Try a 38 deg sponge. That would be a tad bit more lively, i presume. But even the 39 deg, that i have, is springy enough from my point of view. And i can say this with confidence because i have tried the Friendship 729 rubbers. They are worthless without speed glue. |
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silverhair
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That's encouraging. I've got a LOT of rubber to test for now, but will try BW2 in the near future.
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How does BW2 compare to Outlaw - I remember reading elsewhere that you used it previously.
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15 years ago almost for sure was either 729fx or Double Fish 815, I used to play them both but I used carbon blades with those. Just before that I used Tornado FH Tackyness chop BH and then when Toranado got banned I used Mark V for a short time. Tacky rubbers ever since, the power you can generate in the short game just can't be matched by a grippy rubber |
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anubhav1984
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Outlaw is a different monster! It has a lot of speed. Way past Mark V. So the comparison scale can be drawn something like this:- Speed: Outlaw >> BW2 Spin: BW2 >> Outlaw Control: BW2 > Outlaw Outlaw is a grippy rubber which has a lot of speed and has the speed gluish sound in it. It is also very very good in short game. The serves are spinny with outlaw too, but then Haifu is just a different story altogether. With BW2 your serves catch up a hell lot of spin. Outlaw is meant for flat hitters rather than loopers. The ball barely stays on the rubber for long. You need to be very patient with Outlaw if you are a looper because it might take a bit of adjusting. But once you get adjusted to Outlaw for looping, there is no match for it. But still, looping great amount of backspins is a bit too difficult with Outlaw. Whereas, BW2 is a looping rubber. You can loop any amount of backspin with ease. Any other areas you want to be compared? |
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debraj
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anubhav you are using my favorite equipments... :)
no wonder you are happy... only i wish i started with these instead of going through no less than 40 rubbers and 12 blades to arrive here. i have changed the blade to amultart though.. which is also very nice.. but regret giving away my k-5. |
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wow. I must say, this is by far one of the more detailed review's I've seen. Good Job anubhav1984!
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anubhav1984
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cagaragesales :- Hey! Thanks a lot man! I am the same Anubhav who chatted with you on yahoo!
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cagaragesales
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That speed glue feeling and speed comes with the tuned version and lasts about 2 weeks before dying out. I've had some that lasted me a month when I wasn't playing 4-5 hours a day. I average about 20 hours a week normally.
Normal untuned BW2 is slightly harder than BW2 Tuned. Also BW2 does lack a bit in feeling that was part of the H3 Provincial trademark. I've gotten to the point in my game where I'm looking for a wider range of shots. BW2 can't suffice it, so I'm planning on changing back to the H3 Provincials, but I'm still loving BW2 as my primary FH at the moment. |
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Ohh! ok! Well Hello There! |
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anubhav1984
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Hello Albert! I hope i did justice to the rubbers and blade!
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Ciprian
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This is an impresive review and a good one.(You should be a writer).Enjoy your new equipement.I hope K-5 is the blade you were looking for.Cheers.
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anubhav1984
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Thanks a lot Ciprian. I really wanted to be a writer! But i am content with writing equipment reviews for now. I hope to review many more equipments in the future. I have a Haifu Shark II Factory Tuned on its way for me to test it, courtsey Alex Li. I will post similar kind of reviews for it once it reaches me.
As for K-5; i am in love with this blade. This is really what i was looking for. An optimal combination of speed and dwell time. I just wish there was something a bit faster with the same dwell time and control. But i now that i am being too demanding when i ask for such a blade.
My next would be a Xi-Enting blade in case i end up losing interest in K-5, which i don't foresee for now atleast. I will hold on to this blade for a long long time for sure, unless someone gives me another blade for free ;). I have spent a lot on EJing till date. I guess this calls for a pause on the budget flow towards TT equipment.
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Good comparison. I found Outlaw to be more forgiving on loops than my previous Mark V. Seems like BW2 is even more so. I will stick with Outlaw for now as I also like the speed I get now. Thanks |
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anubhav:
1. did you have any problems in customs etc.. in receiving the shipments / couriers in India? 2. I think you were interested in K-5 based on my review of many fast blades (since you asked Qs after fast or medium fast)... so if i read your mind correctly the next level speed with same control is extremely expensive option... and currently in my signature. :) |
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