Tenergy 25 vs Tenergy 05

PingPongBoy wrote: Hey guys, i am currently using the tenergy 25 but i am quite disappointed with it. How is tenergy 05?

   If you dislike 25, you probably won't love 05 either.  05 throws a little higher and is slightly spinnier and slower.  They feel the same otherwise.

for me it is the best butterfly rubber (T25) (and the best nontacky rubber)

LittleFish.Net wrote: Is T25 really that bad? I'm using both T05(FH) and T64(BH) and I'm very happy with them. I was going to buy a piece of T25 to try it out. Can you tell me why it is bad so may be I can save my $52?

well, it's slow, feels hollow... and hardly any power...
on the other hand, 05 is hard, 64 is soft... both rather powerful & spinny
T25 reminds me of Yasaka Pryde. (and the pimples are massive!)

Wow. PingpongBoy, for how long have you been using this t25 setup?

Ha! I knew that you're going to pop up here JRSDallas since you're a T25 user and thanks for clearing things up. I really need your kind of review as I'm preparing a setup for this rubber.

What say you, JRSDallas, about putting t25 FH & BH on Stiga Titanium 5.4 WRB? I'm very much of a flat hitter. Thanks in advance. :)

just had another round with my friend ... im starting to get used to my t05.. its so much easier to do drives and loops.. and t64 is ideal for blocking and attacking for bh.. btw im penhold =]

danhs wrote: hungga wrote: What say you, JRSDallas, about putting t25 FH & BH on Stiga Titanium 5.4 WRB? I'm very much of a flat hitter. Thanks in advance. :)   I know you're not asking me, but if you're truly a flat hitter none of the Tenergys would be ideal.

The best flat hitter I know uses a worn out 729 friendship :)

JRSDallas wrote: From my experience, T25 is the closest thing to a highly glued up Chinese tacky rubber (Hurricane II low throw), that has been available on the market since the glue ban.   It provides excellent control, power and spin.      I've found T05 unstable when flat hitting or strokes where you mix driving and spinning at medium speeds where the throw can suddenly go higher and overshoot the table.  In this contition I have to spin T05 harder to make the ball dive faster so that the loop drops straight down at the end.    T64 is faster than T05 or T25 but its clearly not as spinny so loops can overshoots the table due to a lack of spin.  If you play further from the table however, T64 shines because its speed and throw make it easier to attack from further back, and the longer ball flight gives the lower degree of spin sufficient time to cause it to drop reliably.     T25 gives a stable trajectory regardless of the spin-to-speed blend and it puts much more spin on the ball than T64.   Its very low throw makes for a very smooth transition between flat drive and driving with spin (no abrupt angle and stroke change needed in the blade).  T25 is harder to play with away from the table because of its lower throw so you have to work harder to stay out of the net.   The only other rubber that is close to T25's performance envelope (if this envelop is what you like) is Haifu Whale II which is a true Chinese tacky rubber that has been evolved into a half mix of medium-low tack surface grip rubber on a soft topsheet combined with a faster denser sponge so that it gains some speed capability.  Its playing envelope allows for loops and loop drives further from the table that are easier to clear the net with than T25 but their speed is lower.   On service however, the Whale II's tacky surface allows you to get the same spin as T25 a lower ball speed.   For the same reasons, it gives better off the bounce opening loop fast attack than T25, but it doesn't counterloop with the same authority as T25.  Over the table play with Whale II is just different as the soft topsheet and tack make it easier to make short push and over the table loops.   T25 can generate tremendous service spin but since much of this is due to the sponge, you've got to get the ball into the sponge, generate your massive spin and then get the ball out without also generating too much forward speed.        People that mainly only like Japanese and European sponge rubbers often don't like T25 as its playing envelope is not typical.   If you've been playing Chinese hard sponge rubbers, then it will feel somewhat more familiar but much faster.

Yea Thanks, i think there's a problem with my technique becuase i always play far from table, i guess i have to just adjust. thanks for the advice btw! great review from a awesome player.

JRSDallas wrote: I haven't played the Stiga Titanium 5.4 but I have played two other 7mm thick titanium blades (Donic Crisan and KillerSpin Diamond TC) and if those two blades are good examples of titanium, the blades gave flex that had good power.� They both made the throw of the blade higher which is something that will help offset the lower throw of the T25 and gave the overall racket a soft feel. I happen to like pretty stiff blades and the 5.4 probably is getting too thin for my tastes but this�combination should feel spinny,�flexible�and�very controllable.� The two sheets of T25 will make the racket heavier than your used to if you haven't been playing Tenergy or Chinese rubbers on both sides already. � The T25 will flat hit and smash very well.�� If you already like smashing with your 5.4 (with whatever rubbers you've tried it with) then your swing is already tuned into its�flex and so you should�like smashing with�T25 on it.��

Thank you very much. Well, currently I don't own the mentioned Stiga but have a great interest to own one.

As you said, it should compensate the low throw of T25, not as much as 7mm Donic's or KillerSpin but maybe better than my current Korbel.

T25 isn't a "low throw" rubber. Tenergies have probably the highest throw angle of the fast rubbers. And 25 isn't necessarily "lower throw" than 05. That idea is a myth. Its not a "hitter's Tenergy" either. I would say 64 AND 05 are better for flat hitters than 25.

Comparing 25 with 05 there are a couple differences:

05 has more instant spin and it feels harder than 25 (eventhough the sponges are the same). 25 has less instant spin but it feels softer... When you swing hard 25 felt like it had a higher throw angle and more spin...

When I was testing 05 and 25 on a ZLF, Mizutani, and TBS, fast flexible blades, 05 felt more stable and predictable. 25 is soft and the ball sits on the blade longer allowing the flex of the blade to have more effect. The ball is on and off the surface of the rubber faster with 05 so it goes in a more predictable path when tested on relatively flexible blades. With 25 the ball pauses then shoots off, creating a slight feeling of instability.

This can be good or bad depending on your tastes... 25 is softer so if 05 feels too squirly for you maybe is better. That extra dwell can give you more control. But the opposite can also happen, maybe you want more of a straight line with your loop, 05 will give you more control.

The difference is in the instant spin. If you just bounce the ball on the blade, or just graze the ball like on a serve or a push 05 is clearly spinnier. But when you start looping--especially on the bh-- you will notice that 25 will give you a bigger arc on the ball's path, which usually means more spin.

If you have a med-to-hard blade and you just stick you blade out there and let the slow short balls hit it, like a push, the ball will react to 05's instant spin more noticeably than 25. 25's softness will absorb some of your opponents spin on those types of passive shots. This may account for some confusion about 25 having a lower throw angle, but its not the case. When you start swinging with a soft or flexible blade, or when the ball already has speed, you will find that 25 has the highest throw angle of the Tenergy rubbers.

As for speed.....

05 feels faster right off your paddle, but I think the extra dwell gives 25 more distance, and is why its rated faster.

I have not tested 25 on a very hard blade.

nice description loopmeister.
well written. 
information.
good observations.

rvega01 wrote: LOOPMEISTER! Good Review.....   I have played 05 & 25 but still haven't deside which to keep yet. What about between 05 & 25 to receive a service and put the ball short just passing the net?

25 was easier to receive serve with compared to 05, but both are difficult compared to most other rubbers out there. Tenergy will make your good shots better but your bad shots worse. No margin for error.

rvega01 wrote: Yes right, none of them are easy to receive service.   Right now I'm planning to put 25 or 05 on a DHS King Blade or on the New DHS King 655 Blade. What do you think?   Thank you!

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rvega01 wrote: LOOPMEISTER Thanks!   Which blade do you think better Old DHS King or New King 655?   Have you tried this combo before or just because med-soft Blades are good for 05? well, I think Kings Blades are med-soft, are they?   Also, can you give me an example of a Rubber that is good to receive service short passing the net and with what type of blade?   Thanks a lot!

05 should be good on a HK, although I have not used this combination. I have not tried the new HK either, but I've read somewhere that people like HK and 05. Since the new version is supposed to be harder and faster than the old, it should still go well with Tenergy.

I don't want to hijack this Tenergy thread, but if you want a good post-glue ban rubber to use while you develop your skills enough to become confident using Tenergy on all types of shots, try Palio Macro Era. Its not as spinny as Tenergy but its good. Macro Era on the BH and Tenergy on the FH would also be a good idea if you don't want to give up Tenergy. Macro Era soft max is fast and creates good spin, but its not so bouncy like Stiga Boost, and its much easier to receive serves with than Tenergy.

Just an idea. That's what I'm using right now on both wings.