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Ndragon88 
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 Topic: Genius reviews pleasePosted: 09/25/2009 at 7:29pm |
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Hey everyone, if u have tried this rubber out, no matter for how long. Let me know about ur experiences plz also what blade u was using it on.
If possible could u compare it directly with Tenergy plz.
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Posted: 09/25/2009 at 8:28pm |
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boost topsheet on tenergyish sponge.
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Posted: 09/25/2009 at 8:37pm |
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Interesting. Thank you
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Klaus123
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Posted: 09/25/2009 at 8:44pm |
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What T64 is to T05, is Genius to T64.
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Ndragon88
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Posted: 09/25/2009 at 8:46pm |
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Softer than T64, less spin but faster? lol T64 is faster than 05
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Ndragon88
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 12:19pm |
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nah im kidding.
So its slower, softer and less spinny than T64.
Any others that have same opinion?
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Klaus123
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 12:57pm |
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Alright i explicate it abit more ...
speed: faster than Tenergy 64 catapult: more than Tenergy 64 spin: less or same as Tenergy 64 throw: higher than Tenergy 64 fresh glue effect: more than Tenergy 64 sound: louder than Tenergy 64 hardness: maybe same as Tenergy 64 Not controllable for me on any OFF blade. What else to mention? |
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 12:58pm |
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Slower and softer. Less grip on topsheet, but provides better arc and similiar spin when looping.
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Ndragon88
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 1:01pm |
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Sounds like there is a bit of 'fake' spin involved with genius. Is this the case or are the loops loaded with spin like tenergy05
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powerplay.de
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 1:49pm |
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it really depends on your technique and blade. For me the Genius has as much spin as T05 on my Clipper WRB. Funny is that I can generate far less spin with Fever (Maze Off). Overall the Genius is a huge step for ESN Tensors and closed the gap to Tenergy. But it plays definitly not like any Tenergy rubber at all. The topsheet ist softer and looks like Boost Series. Well i cant say much about the durability now but the topsheet gives some hope. My subjective Rating would be.
Speed Spin Catapult Sound T05 (46g) 10 10 7 7 T64 (44g) 9 8 9 9 Genius (47g) 10 10 9 7 Nianmor (48g) 10 9 9 7 Express One (46g) 10 7 10 10 Genius (42g) 10 9 10 8 I have to add that all these ratings based on new rubbers. I know very well that Tensors durability are worse compared to Tenergy. Over some time the spin decreases a lot. |
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 1:54pm |
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It's spinny as it looks to be. It's just the sponge is more involved (some say mechanical spin for this I guess). It doesn't have as much friction on the topsheet. This is typical Tensor behaviour, but Genius is better than older generations.
I compared Genius to T64 in my previous msg. T05 is spinnier for sure. I don't think the new porous sponged Tensors are direct match to T05. They're still behind for creating spin. Though, I don't need that much spin. Glue feel is better, control is better, blocking is much easier and still have the spin for the opponent to pop out. The only concern for me is the durability and we'll see on that after a couple of weeks. |
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 2:23pm |
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U said u couldnt get as much spin with the fever (MazeOFF). u ment the Maze OFF right? by any chance would u know why u couldnt generate as much spin?
Do u feel ur oponents block ur loops easier with genius? See i wasnt as kean on T64 although a great rubber it didnt create enough spin for the speed it produces. Although i have gotten alot better since i used it. maybe now i can create better spin with it.
A few others have also comment the same as u with the spin difference not being big.
Genius is definitely something I am very much considering getting. I will be waiting for a friend of mine to get X-Plode and i will give that a try also. I wouldnt be getting my new setup for another 2-4 weeks so i can keep checking reviews on here
 . I will be getting the Maze OFF blade, but as for rubbers it may be Tenergy05 for the fh unless Genius or X-Plode changes me mind. For the bh it will be Genius for sure.I apreciate the comments
 thank youand keep posting if u got more to say, the more the merrier ^_^
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powerplay.de
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 3:10pm |
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Joola Fever has the same construction as Maze Off. Plays the same imho. Same advantages and disadvantages. Difficult at close table and incredible at middistance both wing looping. I tried it with all listed rubbers and even with the easiest to play rubber Express One, i got the mentioned problems. With this blade i have too less dwell time to generate max spin. Its because of my forehand loop technique. Fast drive-loop motion with less contact time. Schlager Carbon + glued Bryce optimized :)
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 3:16pm |
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 3:55pm |
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Is this "Genius" a Butterfly rubber?
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 5:01pm |
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No, it's made by Tibhar
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Posted: 09/26/2009 at 9:30pm |
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What type of blade would this rubber be suited for???
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I would also like to know :)
Im hoping Maze OFF would be a good one, if not that then the TBS. fingers crossed one of those 2 will suit
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If I could find Tibhar Genius in any shops accessible, I would stick it to Butterfly Cypress-S (Cypress-Square), as I am a Jpen holder.
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Ok i am struggling to make a decision, although i have time to decide i like to know in advance
 im organised like that.
I am doubting getting the Maze now, might just stick with my Samsonov Alpha. I cant decide whether to get Tenergy05 or Genius on my fh. If i stick with the Alpha i am just going to keep TC on my bh. IF i get the Maze then it will either be TC or Geniuson the bh.
What should i do
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Posted: 09/28/2009 at 8:08pm |
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ok i have decided to stick with my blade. Thats just leaves 1 more decision...Tenergy05 or Genius on my fh......
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My comparison between T05 and genius is :
About same weight. Serve : T05=genius Short game : T05 < genius (genius amazingly good) Hit : T05 = genius Top spin on underspin ball : T05 > genius (more dwell time) Top spin at mid distance : genius > T05 (not by far) Counter top spin : genius > T05 (not by far) It seems to me that my topspins are a little bit more powerfull and spinny wih T05 (but genius is good also). If each of my shots was a top spin, maybe I'd prefer T05. The main reason to prefer genius could be the better control, and the play at mid distance. Both are very very good rubbers, my two favourite rubbers. |
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Posted: 09/29/2009 at 7:19am |
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Thanks for the post :)
I am leaning more towards Genius now. 60/40
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Posted: 09/30/2009 at 7:23am |
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Got a couple of sheets will try.
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Posted: 09/30/2009 at 12:36pm |
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I look forward to hearing from u
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I am not sure if it is just me or other's who have ordered regular genius from different distributors and the package seems slightly opened/cut on the sides.
I have noticed it in every batch i have received (3 times in the last 1 year) 2 times from Table tennis 11 and once from Paddle palace. I was thinking it could be US customs but the latest from PP also had similar observations. Is it normal ?
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