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Ritc 729-08 VS. D H S Skyline 3 |
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hut8
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What is the difference which is more bouncy.
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bump, would like to know the same... also
someone compaire 729-08 vs tg3, h3 (neo). |
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neo tg3 is faster and better than the -08 in many aspects. the 08 is very heavy also
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TG3 is faster, lower throw and lighter. 729-08 is spinnier and heavier.
729-08 is more like a modernized traditional Chinese rubber. It produces a very steep ball curve on the loop and works great if you play close to the table. TG3 is great for driving the ball and it works quite well both close to the table and away from it. It is kinda like H2 modified for power driving the ball. There is less dip on the ball curve than with H2, but the ball stays low after the bounce. With 729-08 the throw is higher and if you have good hands you can make the ball hop all over the place. ILya Edit: I have only tried TG3 Neo, not the original TG3. |
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Never tried 729-08 but after reading your post I will.
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JimT
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Basically, TG3 is tackier and harder sponged, but it needs regluing to shine. TG3 Neo doesn't need that but it's got some unexpectedness to it and is also pricier.
729-08 is mid-tacky, keeps the tackiness for some time, doesn't need regluing and has a springy sponge - not regular hard sponge as old-style Chinese tacky rubbers similar to H2, H3, TG2, TG3 family. One thing which you should be on the lookout with 729-08 (and that is basically why I no longer have it on my main setup - but on secondary I play with it still) is the usual downside of a softer sponge on tacky rubber. When you want to do a gentle shot from mid-distance in order to carefully place the ball on the table (not an attack, not a chop or power drive but just a mild placement shot) then you often end up with your ball in the net. That's mostly due to the fact that tacky rubber with softer sponge really slows down the ball with the shots like this - you have to be careful. However, if you play with the rubber long enough and get used to it, you will master those shots as well. 729-08 works especially well on harder stiffer blades which need some slowing down. Still it is a relatively fast rubber - especially among tacky softer ones. It is indeed on a heavier side but no comparison with monsters like BW-II |
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By the way, if someone wants it - I have a couple (or at least one) slightly used 729-08. I guess, 10 dollars S&H included would be a fair price.
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Hi Jim, Yes I am interested to try 729-08. Let me know how can we go about.
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One more comment on 729-08.
While I usually play with inverted on both sides, I occasionally mess around with long pips on one side. That makes the paddle too light with my normal FH rubber, so that is when I use 729-08, since it is a little heavier. Recently, as an experiment, I tuned a sheet of 729-08 a little. When tuned, it is easily one of the nicest feeling Chinese sheet I have ever tried. It still plays great at the table, but not it also has some serious pop off the table. ILya |
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so what is the difference between 729-08 provincial & commercial ?
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there is a provincial version of this rubber??? ive been using the newer edition which is "strongly forward" with orange sponge. 14 dollars on megaspin
ps i ve been using it around 2 months now.. and its still in decent condition. some of the tack wore off but the rubber still spins. i think tis a great rubber for the price and quality.
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there are two version of 729-08 i think, strongly bounce and strongly forward...
there's also national version of the 728-08... i was offered recently from someone within the provincial team... |
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i try this rubbers, TG3 skyline (old version), NEO TG3, blue sponge special edition TG3 and the 729-08 strongly forward. i found these:
sponge hardness: 729-8 was the harder, blue sponge tg3 the softer
tackiness: TG3 (old version) the tacky, blue spong tg3 the less tacky
bouncer: blue sponge tg3 the bouncer, TG3 (old version) the less bouncer
weight : 729-08 the one with more weight, blue sponge tg3 the less
SERVICE
spin: 729-08
speed: 729-08
CLOSE TO THE TABLE
fh top: 729-08
bh top: blue sponge tg3
fh block: 729-08
bh block: 729-08
counterdrive: blue sponge tg3, NEO TG3
chop: NEO TG3
third ball power attack: 729-08
third ball control attack: blue sponge tg3
loop: blue sponge tg3, NEO TG3
FAR FROM THE TABLE
Loop: NEO TG3, blue sponge tg3
topspin: blue sponge tg3, NEO TG3
in conclussion, the 729-08 is an awesome rubber for close to the table play, but i felt that if you cant win the point on one or two attacks, the rubber doesnt respond well on a rally, for me the real advantage with this rubber was the serves, you can put a lot of spin and speed on it, making very difficult to return for the adversary, also if you go medium distance or far to the table the rubber doesnt respond, all the balls will go to the net, if youre a close to the table player, 729-08 is a dream rubber, but if you want to play from all distance you need to go to blue sponge tg3 or NEO TG3.
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Strongly Bounce is the older version - the one you really have to reglue in order to get the best performance. Strongly Forward has a springier sponge and you do not need regluing. Provincial version I have seen only at ttrubberman's site - nowhere else. |
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I agree that 729-08 is very suitable for close to table play - when it is fresh it is almost as fast and as good as BW-2 Tuned. It's an OK rubber for playing away from the table but its tackiness and muffling effect are something that needs to be constantly taken into account. As I mentioned before if you are going for a mid- or low-power placement shot with 729-08 standing more than 1-2 feet away from the table you should be very careful (or used to teh rubber) lest your ball hits the net. You can do rallies with it but it's not as good there as harder Chinese rubbers, although it is more suitable for Euro style counterlooping - just apply enough power and it is springy enough to manage from even 5-10 feet away. |
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i feel 729-08 is too heavy if play wif cpen.. cg too infront.. if use shakehand shd be better.. tg3 is easier to control as topsheet softer.. compromise for its speed.. |
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Actually if you use TG3 on a regular sponge (basically same as H2) it has hardness 43, and 729-08 is 39-40. So regular TG3 shouldn't weigh much less than 729-08. If we go here then you will see that the diff is miniscule, 3 g for an uncut rubber, and probably 2 g for cut. You must be playing with sponge #21 - that one is indeed pretty soft and light. |
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yes only blue sponge and neo can be used.. i tot :D actually using a so called 'national version' of tg3 now.. couldnt bare to change even used for a yr now.. :P
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I host exchange students and one of my kids father is friends with a Provincial coach , so as a gift he gave me 729-08 provincial VOC<2 and a new 729 Hero rubber with Japaness sponge ( its the softest 729 rubber i have ever used!) oh he also gave me the 729 V6 :)
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You got lucky my friend! I mean V-6 blade of course - it is a relatively rare bird on our shores. A great blade...
However, if you are very used to playing with your PC then V-6 is probably not a blade for you - too soft. |
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im playing with the Petr Krobel with sriver fx max on both sides, So the 729-v6 with the 729 hero max and 729-08 is close , ust a little heavyer and harder
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JimT
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I thought you were using Primorac Carbon...
V-6 with two thick Chinese rubbers would be certainly heavier than PK with two SFXs. How about overall balance? |
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the balance isn't bad a little head heavy! It plays great above the table flips are a little hard for me due to the weight but other than that is awesome!!!
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JimT
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I would advise you to try smth different and lighter on it - like Gambler Outlaw/Wraith or LKT Rapid Speed. Then you won't lose a lot of speed but balance is bound to become better.
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can someoen compare
729-08 vs NEO H3 plz
i would liek to know
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Sure I can, DreiZ.
I went from 08 to H3N to 08 to H3N again.
08 at 49deg sponge.
H3N: faster (little bit), more dynamical, lower throw, less sensitive to incoming spin. Softer. Maybe little bit less spinny. Lighter (approx. 47 vs 50g cut)
08 has more stable looping performance. Works quite good with korbel, you probably have 47 deg.sponge, that should work well.
Note, that 45deg and 47deg sponge differs from 49deg sponge (throw, spin, sensitivity to inc. spin). So my thoughts could be different, if I could compare H3N with 47deg 729-08.
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729-08 has several versions, the commercial version in US is not impressive and I am assuming that most people got that one in the US. the provincial 729-08 tunned is very impressive. It is not easy to find even in China. 729-08 tunned has good click and spin. It is fairly fast and light.
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Light? Regular 729-08 is 69-70 g uncut which is certainly on the heavy side of the range. I imagine that Prov 729-08 should not be any lighter. But I might be mistaken there...
So unless you are playing with a penhold, 729-08 cannot be called light. |
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i have the 729-08 prov and it is very heavy!!! but has good speedy and control . the sponge is a little harder then commmercial
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