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Originally posted by jrscatman jrscatman wrote:

Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

After 2 years of training by a coach from Beijing, he finally said these to me:

1. Use your leg to find the ball
2. Use your leg to hit the ball
3. Compact the arm/body movement (legs not included) during each swing.
   

Nice, did the coach mention anything about timing and rhythm of the strokes?



Used to but hardly anymore. To elaborate further:

1. Using legs to find the ball. This is nothing new but just a different saying of getting into right position to execute the swing. To do that, the footwork must be fast.

2. Using the legs to hit the ball. This is interesting. After 2 solid years of training, practising the basic swing technique and getting it into the muscle memory, I was told to stop any arm movement and reduce the torso/waist movement as much as 70%. Use the leg as the main tool for power and even the swing itself. To increase the spin, just use the wrist.

3. Compact the movement of arm/body. No unnecessary motion. Do not mimic all those fantastic looking swings by those top CN players. The lesser the motion, the faster you are ready for the return shot.
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Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

After 2 years of training by a coach from Beijing, he finally said these to me:

1. Use your leg to find the ball
2. Use your leg to hit the ball
3. Compact the arm/body movement (legs not included) during each swing.
   
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Originally posted by atomant atomant wrote:

After 2 years of training by a coach from Beijing, he finally said these to me:

1. Use your leg to find the ball
2. Use your leg to hit the ball
3. Compact the arm/body movement (legs not included) during each swing.
   
 

Tagging along on what your coach said, I was once told by a high level coach in Europe that "Table tennis is game of head by using your legs" (I'm not sure the translation into English came out as well as the original)



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After 2 years of training by a coach from Beijing, he finally said these to me:

1. Use your leg to find the ball
2. Use your leg to hit the ball
3. Compact the arm/body movement (legs not included) during each swing.
   
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My coach often tells me to think forehand when I play, often when my footwork don't work like it should I play to much backhand.. 
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)

Funny, I've been told multiple times that I'm too close to the table and I need to take a couple of steps back.  
I guess it all depends on where you are standing.
If you are standing too close step back.
If you are standing too far away step closer....LOL
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)

Funny, I've been told multiple times that I'm too close to the table and I need to take a couple of steps back.  

Haha same here, I was always to close to the table when I was younger, didn't get the time I needed! 
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)

Think it just depends on style.

I play SP penhold and use a TPB. For this I would always say close to the table easily.

My training partner is a duel inverted two winged looper. For him obviously playing off to get into his type of points is key.


Generally I think playing off the table is for the young & athletic. If you can do it? Great. If you're not all that athletic, I think playing off the table just makes it easier for the opponent. Have to know where you are fitness wise.

There's a difference between playing off the table, and just being a few steps back.  For instance, I play cpen with rpb, but I'm always right up at the table almost like a SP penhold player w/ TPB.  That's too close, but 5-10 feet back would be too far (considering the extra baggage I carry).  If I just move back 2 feet, I'll have more time without giving up too large of an angle.

I should have put my "tip" in context, perhaps. I feel quite comfortable, for my level, to rally a couple of steps from the table. It gives me time to use big strokes, especially on FH, and play nice topspins, or fish and lob if needed, etc. However, every once in a while my opponent turns out to be a half-decent blocker, and I end up taking some blocked balls too late, resulting in weaker shots and loss of control of the rally. Hence the tip to stand/play "closer" to the table, not necessarily "immediately at the table".


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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)

Think it just depends on style.

I play SP penhold and use a TPB. For this I would always say close to the table easily.

My training partner is a duel inverted two winged looper. For him obviously playing off to get into his type of points is key.


Generally I think playing off the table is for the young & athletic. If you can do it? Great. If you're not all that athletic, I think playing off the table just makes it easier for the opponent. Have to know where you are fitness wise.

There's a difference between playing off the table, and just being a few steps back.  For instance, I play cpen with rpb, but I'm always right up at the table almost like a SP penhold player w/ TPB.  That's too close, but 5-10 feet back would be too far (considering the extra baggage I carry).  If I just move back 2 feet, I'll have more time without giving up too large of an angle.
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)

Think it just depends on style.

I play SP penhold and use a TPB. For this I would always say close to the table easily.

My training partner is a duel inverted two winged looper. For him obviously playing off to get into his type of points is key.


Generally I think playing off the table is for the young & athletic. If you can do it? Great. If you're not all that athletic, I think playing off the table just makes it easier for the opponent. Have to know where you are fitness wise.
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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)


Funny, I've been told multiple times that I'm too close to the table and I need to take a couple of steps back.  


Same here. The key is to develop a good block and to give yourself time to react to your opponent's shot with a quality shot, I think. I find that some opponents are too powerful or high arcing to take on at the table and taking a step back helps. But just going backwards reduces your power, widesns your angles and gives up time. I am tall so taking a step back has helped, but I don't power loop so I need to stay close to the table to pressure my opponent.
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

Stand closer to the table :-)

Funny, I've been told multiple times that I'm too close to the table and I need to take a couple of steps back.  
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Stand closer to the table :-)
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Originally posted by cheondo cheondo wrote:

Keep your racket up at all times. I didn't realize dropping the racket was such a key to me losing so many points.
Very good suggestion, I drop my arms all the time. Did he give any tips on how to accomplish this? A tennis coach once told me mantra to to repeat - remember thinking wow what a great saying - no need to write it down - I'll remember it....Darn should've written it down!
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Originally posted by W0LovePP W0LovePP wrote:

Originally posted by cheondo cheondo wrote:

Keep your racket up at all times. I didn't realize dropping the racket was such a key to me losing so many points.

 
Please elaborate on "keeping it up". Does "up" mean that the racket is vertical, or to keep the whole racket above the table, not beneath the table.
 
Thanks.


Pretty sure that means above the table.
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Originally posted by cheondo cheondo wrote:

Keep your racket up at all times. I didn't realize dropping the racket was such a key to me losing so many points.
 
Please elaborate on "keeping it up". Does "up" mean that the racket is vertical, or to keep the whole racket above the table, not beneath the table.
 
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Originally posted by cheondo cheondo wrote:

Keep your racket up at all times. I didn't realize dropping the racket was such a key to me losing so many points.

I also had this problem for a couple of years ago, I learned to keep the racket up after a lot of multi ball sessions.
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Keep your racket up at all times. I didn't realize dropping the racket was such a key to me losing so many points.
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(not said to me, but I heard it said to another player)

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Originally posted by hookumsnivy hookumsnivy wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

My knee issues have nothing to do with the fact that the most important aspect of a stroke from an input perspective is the quality of contact made with the ball. 


This is especially true of serving.  If you don't make the right contact, the serve will suffer.
Which is why I was surprised when you said it was for beginners.  I wrote a post on this point and how serving practice helped me learn it.  It helps you move the ball around, misdirect your opponent.. anyways, the objection has been given up - back to more coach's tips.
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