How to serve reverse pendulum similar to Timo Boll

Nice video.  I like your top spin serve.  Thanks,

I need some serves like that. Going to be working on it very soon though. Still working on my footwork. Very nice vid.

nice serves :O

Awesome video. If I had a table at my house I would be trying it right now. I have the basic motion, but it's horridly unreliable.

May I add something? After contact with the ball, all the weight is on the left foot and I like then to push against that left foot to bounce back and face the other player, all ready for a 3rd ball. I think in a serve practice session it is very important to always add that last step.

TBS9x, how do you manage to master so many different varieties of serves!    How would you normally mix it up in a match? I usually find it hard to switch serve mechanics in the middle of a match... :(

Are you gluing/boosting/tuning your rubber? =x


Nice playing area

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwb_psKUOoQ

TBS9x wrote:    I decided to change my serve style because I found out that Timo Boll's serving motion is shorter than Joo's, the amount of spin is still enormous and I find it easier to vary the type/amount of spin on the ball.

 Hey man, just develop your own effective serves, you are just copying service actions with this stuff.    Also as Fruity is suspicious, you are definately sp/glueing yr rubbers, its obvious from the clip and the sight of uneven surfaces.

tdragon wrote: APW46 wrote: TBS9x wrote:    I decided to change my serve style because I found out that Timo Boll's serving motion is shorter than Joo's, the amount of spin is still enormous and I find it easier to vary the type/amount of spin on the ball.  Hey man, just develop your own effective serves, you are just copying service actions with this stuff.    Also as Fruity is suspicious, you are definately sp/glueing yr rubbers, its obvious from the clip and the sight of uneven surfaces. It is a mean reply. Why don't you post your own serve (not the copycat)?

 I don't need to post my own serves, I can assure you they are solid up to a high level. Why is a critisism 'mean' ???? I always back up any critisism I ever make with logic. In this case the logic is in my answer, take it or leave it, I don't care, its just advice, and I offer it based on years of experience, not just a whim, so take it or leave it, but please, please don't call me mean based on a totally uneducated reply by someone who does not know what they are talking about.

Edited by APW46 - 06/25/2010 at 7:44pm

This is me playing world no 33:

Edited by APW46 - 06/25/2010 at 7:52pm

despoticwalnut wrote: I don't think there's any reason emulating a pro's serve is a bad thing. You may develop your own, but in the end there's only a certain amount of motions possible to serve with. I honestly don't think it was necessary to call him out on anything. I'm not taking either side in this argument, only wondering why there has to be an argument in the first place.

 I think that is a good answer, there is sometimes a problem on MYTT when people just can't take a critisism, even though that was the reason they posted. As I say I don't criticise for the sake of it, if it comes from me, you can be sured there is a reason, and I always give an answer.

APW: I feel like I've come to "know" you, or at least your style, on this site. Therefore, I interpret your seeming "venom" with a bit more generosity. I think I know where you're coming from, and I found your post here to be far less "confrontational" than ususal . However, for the sake of discussion, I put forth two things:

1) I tend to agree with despoticwalnut. There are only so many ways to serve. People will naturally converge on a finite group of techniques, based on the constraining physics of the universe and physiology of humans.

2) I consider using techniques that are already tried-and-true to be a good version of "copying". Although innovation is a good thing and people should definitely try to do so, at the same time there is no reason to attempt to reinvent the wheel. That is the natural flow of culture: People learn what is handed down to them and then they use such knowledge to modify or even invent completely new things. But everyone has to start somewhere. If anyone should be chastised for using the "same old" serves, it should be upper level players who have learned enough about the game to be able to innovate.

Just my two cents, added in the spirit of a friendly discussion. I don't mean to "argue".

Hey guys!

Sorry for my late reply, didn't really check MYTT lately. Well, now I will answer all the questions:
@Fruit_loop: yes, that's quite clear I think :D I boost my yasaka mark v for a little extra speed and make it softer since its a tard harder for my like and I cant afford a yasaka pryde 40 every 2 months or so.
@popperlocker: I blanked out XD but it actually does work for me in times of needs :D
@Ashes: thanks for your comment, and actually, the more you tilt the head of the racket, the more reverse or side spin ( whatever!) you will be able to produce.
@APW: well, everyone has their freedom of speech so I dont really mind, and quite frankly, I'm sort of pragmatic so whatever works I go with it, not necessarily has to be my own, that is too much for me Plus, I explained, this serve is brilliant because you can easily vary the spin but still deceiving your opponent and the motion is much shorter than my older serves so I'm using it now.
@blahness: since if I keep on doing the same thing, the opponent will eventually eat me raw so I have to find some other ways to keep on living :D How do I mix it up in a match? This depends on the situation, also how the opponent stands when he receives my serve, if he's too far from the other corner, I would go for a long straight fast no spin serve or a very wide side + top/back spin to his backhand  so he's forced to play a backhand since I know my partner has a stronger forehand. Otherwise, I know that I have a pretty reliable reverse backspin serve that could normally setup my attacks so I will use it when I feel like I'm on offensive mode, sometimes just plain backspin serve to surprise them. Yes, that's the key, keep on surprising them but don't surprise yourself because believe me, that's not what you want...

Fruit loop wrote: Are you gluing/boosting/tuning your rubber? =x Nice playing area http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwb_psKUOoQ

vvk1 wrote: Fruit loop wrote: Are you gluing/boosting/tuning your rubber? =x Nice playing area http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwb_psKUOoQ Actually, it is possible to end up with an uneven rubber surface using plain Buttefly Free Chack glue. At least, I managed that at least once

Very true but actually free chack is rather easy to get a flat surface since the glue is so thin but use something like Stiga Power Attach glue which is like toothpaste then you will know how hard it is to get an even surface. Though I use booster, I wouldn't say it's 100% because of the booster because I would get it without booster anyway...