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bizard
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Posted: 10/17/2010 at 4:04pm |
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I play with Tenergy 05 in the fh, but here in portugal the rubber costs 56€ and it's a very expensive. Can you tell me another rubbers similars to Tenergy 05?
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karabijntje
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Xiom Vega Pro, very similar, around 32€. I switched to it after playing 1-2 years with T05 and am very happy with it.
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Fruit loop
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Doesn't exist, move along.
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Timo Boll Spirit FL
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pingpongrob
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The Guy Said similar, not Exact, And there are a few that are actually better than Tenergy 05, that is unless you are a fully fledged pro - opp's I forget you are.. sorry |
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Fruit loop
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I don't actually use t05 =P |
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Timo Boll Spirit FL
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dzhu14
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http://tenergy05.com/rubbers/xiom-vega-pro-vs-butterfly-tenergy-rubber-review
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EZRO
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hmmm for me DONIC X1 or S1
XIOM's are more alike. :D
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FH: DONIC Baracuda / Tenergy 64 and 05 BH: 802-40/1 and Raystorm DONIC BURN ALL+ FH Kokutaku 868 tacky BH Kokutaku 110 Medium Pip |
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Speedplay
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Would be nice to know which rubbers are better then T05, cause I haven't found any. There might be rubbers that are better for some players/styles, but for me, there is no other rubber that have come even close to T05. With this said, I'm still looking for a good replacement since I simply can't afford T05 with the new increased prices. |
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dzhu14
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yeah i agree about the prices... two sides of tenergy is the price of a blade..
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tsanyc
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that's why you guys need to stick around here to get an used Tenergies in excellent condition for cheap.
I've bought a couple of those already, and very very happy!
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debraj
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closest i found is hexer .. and (don't laugh) lkt red diamond
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Nori
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Are you honest???? cause I will buy LKT red diamond but I have heard terrible things about lkt....
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Baal
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so says the Australian distributor Andro, Galaxy, etc...... |
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AMonteiro
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I've played with T05 (without boosters) both sides for 1 year with Avalox P700 blade.
After T05 I've tried: Cornilleau Pilot Advance and Power; Donic Platin, Baracuda and Acuda S1; Tibhar Genius and Nianmor and Stiga Boost TC. All these rubbers with and without booster (Falco Tempo Booster).
None of them have the same high performance and feel of Tenergy 05 but the closest is Acuda S1 + 1 layer of Falco Tempo Booster.
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Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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beeray1
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Red Diamond is the best rubber you can get cost to performance wise.
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debraj
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i fully agree that Acuda S1 is the best pro rubber among tensors. i didn't mention it only because it doesn't play anything like tenergy 05 (not good or bad... just different) they are world apart but both good for high standards of the game. acuda topsheet is transleucent with high proportion of synthetic rubber, way less grippy, very low throw, faster than tenergy, and less bouncy than tenergy on slow strokes, and way less reactive to incoming spin ... which tenergy is opaque with high proportion of natural rubber, we all know how grippy, slower than acuda but still fast, kinda bouncy (not as much as other tensors), and the most reactive rubber to incoming spin i ever played.
Edited by debraj - 10/19/2010 at 5:22pm |
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AMonteiro
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Agree with you. I didn't express myself well. I wanted to say that Acuda S1 + Falco Tempo booster among the rubbers I've tried is the closest to Tenergy 05 high performance (Speed/Spin ratio), but of couse It is different as you said.
Baracuda + Falco Booster is closer (among rubbers I've tried) to Tenergy 05 in terms of playing features (High arc, High Spin, less bouncy, more natural rubber topsheet..)
Edited by AMonteiro - 10/19/2010 at 5:42pm |
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Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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flash
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A couple of guys that plays pro in my country swear Yasaka Razka 7 it's the best substitute for the T05...in fact they already change their setups...I didn't try this product...
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T05 hard, 2,1 mm, black, fh T05 hard, 2,1 mm, red, bh. |
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debraj
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i tried yasaka rakza... but after acuda s1... didn't like it at all...
the soft sponge and very grippy topsheet is a recipe for non-linearity. of course boosting etc would change properties to some extent... but boosting acuda is even better that way.
Edited by debraj - 10/19/2010 at 7:03pm |
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bozbrisvegas
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Never heard this topic brought up before.
Similar: vega pro 05 64 hexer As Rob said: similar As I say: nowhere near as grippy
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debraj
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honest definitely...and i myself get scared of comparing a 65 dollar rubber with a 14 dollar one. today again i tried just for self satisfaction... and after that i think - tenergy has high grip + firm sponge + catapult speed and only red diamond seems to offer all three.... its not the same... but closer than others... and prolly a little firmed than hexer... like tenergy 05.
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tomas.gt
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omega 4 pro ;)
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Kokutaku Bishu no.1 ST - H3N red , BTfly Spinart 2.1 black
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pingpongrob
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pnachtwey
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Interesting thought. Have you played with them both at the same time? I currently have T05 on a TBS and RD on a BTY BC X5 but I haven't played with T05 and RD at the same time nor have I played a lot with RD since I only mounted it a couple of weeks ago. I am going to have to compare T05 to Red Diamond. I like RD but I haven't thought of it as a being close to T05 but I haven't tied them one after the other against the robot. I will try this.
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debraj
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sure would love to know a different perspective... to get some of my thoughts verified or contradicted.
pl do account of the difference in throw and speed of the blades though.
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foz
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Baracuda according to a team mate is very close to 05 in all aspects, half the price here in the uk as well!!
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Slower, less spin and lower throw IMHO, but it has some of the same general characteristics as T05, so if you had to switch to something, this might work. I still prefer Hexer. |
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nicefrog
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Red Diamond doesn't "feel" like Tenergy with that effortless control on the same blade but if you stick it on a slower softer blade it does get some of that I can do anything feeling about it AND gains more spin. I've tried it on a ALL speed balsa which is a much slower blade than I normally use and it was quite awesome to be honest, it stands alone power wise in the cheapy rubbers. Someone should try Red Diamond on some kind of nice quality flexy all round 5 ply and I'm sure it would be a weapon, it has plenty enough speed and low enough throw angle to suit such a blade in an offensive role.
I wouldn't say an professional player should be using Red Diamond because it's doesn't have 50 euros worth of quality but it's more than enough for any club player Edited by nicefrog - 10/20/2010 at 9:32pm |
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pnachtwey
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I think you may be on to something. Even though I have had the two rubbers and have previous posted good things about RD on Boz's website After warming up with Red Diamond for about an hour with an person I played with my RD on a BalsaCarbo X5 and T05 on a TBS. I have played much more with the T05 so that is why I warmed up with the RD. I then played against the Newgy hitting just FH near, mid (1m) and long ( 2.5-3m). I rarely get back more than 2 meters in a real game situation. I hit about 100 balls at each distance with each paddle. Surprisingly I didn't find much difference. I thought I would see a big difference back at 2.5 meters but I didn't. For the distance shots I set the Newgy up to 20-22 and angled the head down to about 7 so the ball would barely clear the net and with lots of top spin so the ball would stay low. At 2.5 meters back I was hitting the ball from below the table top level with speed so these are real loops. I was surprised that the effort required was about the same and the angle of the paddle direction and blade was about the same in both cases. The RD may have needed to be open just a hair more but not enough to be obvious or to swear too. On the BH they played about the same too. I find that to play a decent BH I must crouch and keep my elbow up so that when I swing and hit the ball my forearm is about horizontal. With a little wrist action I can get good and similar loops from both but I was getting tired so I didn't try FH loops from 2.5 meters back. I didn't try too much serving. I am not the best at serves anyway What I noticed is that both the RD and T05 have much more bounce and spin than the Mark V I normally play with now so a few serves went long when I was serving. The person I was playing against it not that good as returning serves so I could easily hit a back spin or top spin and win a point right off the serve with either paddle. I would have to play with these two rubbers against my regular sparring partner to get a better idea. My regular sparring partner can tell when I am not playing with the Mark V paddle because the other paddles have a little more spin, speed and stay low. I need to play against him with both the T05 and the RD during the same session so he can tell me which is the hardest to play against. As it turns out my red T05 rubber has a tear in it. I may try a RD so the black T05 and RD are both on the TBS. I think if I played more with both RD and T05 I would start to notice some differences but this I can say,T05 isn't $66/$14 times better than RD. It is too bad their isn't a Black Diamond. I didn't not think Black Power was near as good or even close to T05. The spin to speed ration of BP is too low.
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nicefrog
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I'm pretty sure we can come up with a really cheap but high end performance complete combo using Red Diamond as the base for a FH rubber, just need to work on a suitable cheap blade and BH rubber :)
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