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    Posted: 05/04/2011 at 1:22pm
For everyone following this thread, I just started a poll here:
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=41702&PID=516058&title=poll-colorful-rubbers#516058


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I think with Tornado when they had to make it in the Red it just became the same formula as Mark V, originally it was different and better for looping than Mark V. It was pretty much the Tenergy of the 70s for most loopers as they invented themselve as the dominant style of player, it was a very popular rubber 
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Tornado had a lot of followers in the yellow/gold color, it was never the same in red or black.  Something was different in the way it played.Ouch  So apparently the dyes used in the making of the topsheet do make a difference, at least in this case. 

I used to play with maroon (Dark Red) and black, the maroon (dark red) was a Friendship sheet (dark because of the dark blue sponge underneath), it was hard to tell the two colors apart from the other side of the table.  Colors can be tricky to regulate, everyone thinks of the colors as being different, but under less than ideal lighting it can be hard to see at times.  I think this is why the ITTF settled on red/black combos.  Even now some of the red sheets are more pink than red.  I have a sheet of feint III, a sheet of feint II and a sheet of Gambler PeaceKeeper that I would call pink, not red.Confused  In this case I can't tell that they play any different than a red sheet.  Personally I liked the gold, blues, and greens.  It livened up the sport a little.  Now we have blue tables, and I have played on some purple tables also. 
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Bring it back!!  I'll slap this on my set-up, opposite some black!!

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Is it possible to buy some blue dye on try on it on like my long pips ox or would i need a better colorant? We totally need more colors back!
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From the original ITTF rules before they got changed into the current mess



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I think a first step would be to have some manufacturers re-make some of the colored rubbers from the past. Easier said than done since the rubbers would not be ITTF approved. We would need some evidence showing that the colors won't add deception compared to black/red. Although this is subjective, it would probably be more efficient than proposing ideas at some meeting where they would immediately be ignored. It would be much better to get colored rubbers in the hands of players first, even if they are illegal.
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He means the association you play at. Anyway those days are gone, the power of the public and the Internet get's things done these days. I'm actually surprised by that response, I thought the ITTF would be always looking for ways to improve the popularity of the sport and would jump on that. How can you push for skirts one minute and not be over the top for re introducing some colour to rubbers :/
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I believe he is speaking of your national association, for the USA it is USATT. Confused
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Originally posted by Anton Chigurh Anton Chigurh wrote:

Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

Thanks Anton. Although unlikely, I really want to make this happen. I believe MyTT.net can be considered the association but what is AGM?


Not sure what AGM is, but if you get a petition going or something then let me know. I'll sign it or whatever and help in whatever way I can.


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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

Thanks Anton. Although unlikely, I really want to make this happen. I believe MyTT.net can be considered the association but what is AGM?


Not sure what AGM is, but if you get a petition going or something then let me know. I'll sign it or whatever and help in whatever way I can.


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Thanks Anton. Although unlikely, I really want to make this happen. I believe MyTT.net can be considered the association but what is AGM?
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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

I got this response from Odd Gustavsen of the ITTF:

"Thank you for your e-mail. This was quite unexpected, I must say. When we limited the colours to two some years ago, it was felt as a relief by most players. Since then it has been very quiet, hopefully since most players are satisfied with the present situation. However, you are of course entitled to bring forward your proposal. It must then be done through your own Association. Because this is part of the Law, it will require acceptance in AGM. I would think the chances are small to come through at present. Anyway, you are free to try."


Well... there's only one way to prove him wrong. Smile

EDIT: Nice job taking the initiative, sweetstrike! Clap




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I got this response from Odd Gustavsen of the ITTF:

"Thank you for your e-mail. This was quite unexpected, I must say. When we limited the colours to two some years ago, it was felt as a relief by most players. Since then it has been very quiet, hopefully since most players are satisfied with the present situation. However, you are of course entitled to bring forward your proposal. It must then be done through your own Association. Because this is part of the Law, it will require acceptance in AGM. I would think the chances are small to come through at present. Anyway, you are free to try."
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When I started table tennis and looked to buy my first pre-made, the first thing I looked for was unique colored rubbers. I was shocked that only red and black were available. Colors would be very easy to make for the manufacturers as it is just a matter of adding a different colorant. I'm so sick of just red and black
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Originally posted by bluebucket bluebucket wrote:

We can email them :), if they don't agree then we need to make a ground swell movement but really I can't see how this isn't one of the best ideas ever for the sport. Well not really an idea, but setting things "right" after a long time of a half way wrong half way right decision.


Sometimes I wish MYTT was a little more like Facebook where I could click "like" on a comment.

I would "like" this comment. Smile




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We can email them :), if they don't agree then we need to make a ground swell movement but really I can't see how this isn't one of the best ideas ever for the sport. Well not really an idea, but setting things "right" after a long time of a half way wrong half way right decision. I suppose you guys have got your pre-order in for translucent hot pink T05 already :p

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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

How about this rule. You are allowed to have any of these colors:
Black, Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Pink, Purple, White

Combinations not allowed:
Same Colors
Yellow/Orange
Purple/Blue
Red/Pink
Red/Green (color blindness)

This would grow the game as it allows individuals to express themselves. Now how can we suggest this to the ITTF?


Although it's highly unlikely to be implemented, I really like this suggestion. Smile


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How about this rule. You are allowed to have any of these colors:
Black, Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Orange, Pink, Purple, White

Combinations not allowed:
Same Colors
Red/Orange
Yellow/Orange
Red/Pink
Red/Green (color blindness)

This would grow the game as it allows individuals to express themselves. Now how can we suggest this to the ITTF?

EJs are in big trouble. The orange feels a little softer than the purple... haha


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As a matter of fact,blue pips were used in the late 70's by several players ,they looked so beautiful .
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Nice!, that's a rubber I never saw. I only ever saw Mark V in red back then. I'd like to see a picture of that if anyone has one or an old catalogue
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It was a translucent blue, not a solid. Not quite as clear as the Tornado as far as I can remember.
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Was the blue Mark V a clear blue like Tornado is yellow/gold or was it a solid blue like that spectol, it would have been very nice looking in a clear blue :)?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mmerkel Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05/01/2011 at 9:00am
Before my 22 year hiatus I used to play with a blue Mark V. I only got it at the time because of the color. I was one of the first in my club to have a different colored rubber. On the bh I had one of the reddish brown tacky Friendship 729..not the prettiest color combination. I would welcome if certain color combinations would be allowed again. I would definitely go for a new color.
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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

I was roaming around the internet today when I stumbled upon these photos of a BLUE spectol. 


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Originally posted by sweetstrike sweetstrike wrote:

The ITTF should allow multiple color combinations.
Black/Red
Blue/Yellow
Blue/Red
Black/Green
etc...

As long as the colors are not the same or really close to each other. This would be GREAT for the game.

Absolutely, we should have a dedicated thread for that in the ITTF section, or actually setup an online petition, it wouldn't be hard to make a chart where you can cross reference allowed colour combinations that are suitably contrasting. It's something that would be great for the cool factor popularity of the game and the rubber manufacturers, something that really should have happened in the first place when the colour rule came out




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Does anyone anyone happen to have a blue any rubber?? I would love to pay to have a blue rubber! :)
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I think the chinese rubber companies were missing a trick in allowing the 'only red/black rule. It made it a lot harder for the world beaters of the time to differentiate their rubbers with those of the japanese
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The ITTF should allow multiple color combinations.
Black/Red
Blue/Yellow
Blue/Red
Black/Green
etc...

As long as the colors are not the same or really close to each other. This would be GREAT for the game.
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Is there a place to buy blue rubbers??? I would like to have blue long pips! lol
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