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everything is WRB.. |
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eecrive
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Posted: 03/30/2011 at 3:39am |
well..seems also our beloved acoustic/violins are WRB at the end....
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qynthnghm
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Hmm, doesn't seem so bad to me. Most WRB blades, such as the Stiga ones, are fully hollow even through the center wood plies. The Acoustic seems to only have a small hollowed out area in the handles only. Good to know though since I use Acoustic. Thanks for sharing.
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peter79
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The centerply is not hollow though, probably it will make the blade more balanced, other wise it will be handle heavy. Thanks for the info...
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mayuki24
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good experimentation right there. I think nittaku didnt give information like that, that they did the handle of the nittaku acoustic a bit hollow.
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cool_natja
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@ eecrive : thanks for sharing. did you do on purpose or accidentally broke it :) ?
wonder if earlier versions are also semi hollow. of course, if you got older Acoustic or Violin, you don't need to break the handle just to prove it |
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qynthnghm
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Guys, did you know that TT balls are WRB? I cut one open the other day.
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jonyer1980
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Dissapointing :(. I wonder if my acoustic V1 has got the same WRB handle.
OLD TBS v.1.0 old badge/no logo suffers exactly the same issue.... |
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van_doorn
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Where does WRB stand for?
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qynthnghm
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Apparently: "W=Weight balance. The balance of the blade is scientifically moved to the point contact is made with the ball. R=Rate of recovery. Due to the decrease in blade weight the player improves his rate of recovery after each stroke. B=Ball sensitivity. The scientifically positioned recess in the handle provides extra sensitivity of touch." |
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cool_natja
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@ van doorn :
Stiga calls their hollow handle system "WRB", it stands for : W– Weight balance. The balance of the blade is scientifically moved to the point contact is made with the ball. R– Rate of recovery. Due to the decrease in blade weight the player improves his rate of recovery after each stroke. B– Ball sensitivity. The scientifically positioned recess in the handle provides extra sensitivity of touch. |
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kenneyy88
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I'm pretty sure some handles are solid, just gotta crack them open to find out.
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qynthnghm
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A few questions: How old is this Acoustic?
This is like, the lowest end of WRB I've seen. Which really isn't too bad. I'd say second is the Donic Waldner Senso Carbon and the like, and lastly the full on hollow handles of the Stiga WRB series, including the Ebenholz. |
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eecrive
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well... Nittaku uses a particular glue... which is easy to remove with a heater... unfortunately that happened during a training session.. now i re-glued the handle without problems....
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eecrive
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ah i forgot... also butterfly are made like this.
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van_doorn
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@ qynthnghm and cool_ninja
Thanks for the explanation! |
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TheRobot99
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I think JOOLA handles are solid. My blade is head heavy, but makes heavy rubbers like H2 and Thor's feel light.
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ejmaster
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Tenor is the same. I take out the grip halves long time ago to put different ones to make a more comfortable handle and change to a more handle balance blade. But that is a minimum hollowness that has nothing to do with the ebenholz hollowness.
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mercuur
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This particular glue as advertised for the lamina is glutinglue. Glutinglue is heatresistant if not saturated with water. If the griphalves come of by heating (the usual way to remove a griphalve) they are not glued with glutinglue or not glued properly they maybe came of from vibrations. When a griphalve is glued on with glutinglue (as with Osp blades) it can,t be removed the usual way by heat (approx 90-100 degree) and slicing it off. There is a simple way to test : if it,s glutinglue the glueremains on the lamina and griphalve should become tacky again when moisted at the surface with a bit of warm water. The hollow part is for the balance. Otherwise they would have to use less dense lighter wood which can make a thin lamina too flexible and weak in the neckarea. Griphalves on thin lamina,s are also more volume hence they weigh in more. |
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bluebucket
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Nearly every good blade has a hollow handle including every Joola I have, you can't afford the weight somewhere on a blade that has no purpose other than someones imagination :)
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vvu.tee
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the new Joola Viva is hollow as well
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ejmaster
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not everything is wrb. there are blades with 100% solid griphalves and handle.
for instance the dhs hurricane king.
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EJ Club.
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chris.b40
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100% correct as I disassembled my HK 655's handle to find that it is a well made handle ,it contains two black pins made of plastic that reinforces the blade handle even more. A solid wooden handle. |
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Thot
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I don't think OSP blades are hollow. I've played with 2 blades and neither of them felt head heavy like Stiga blades. Compared to many of the players on this forum I dislike head heavy blades. Most of the good rubbers are heavy and combined with blades having hollow handles result in a combination which I don't like.
I'm curious if YEO is hollow or not, because I think is hollow or the wood in the handle is light. |
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AcudaDave
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The marketing for these blades/rubbers is really incredible...and we are just as incredible for buying into the hype. Does hollowing out the handle really make that much of a difference! Am I really gonna swing my racket faster if it weighs a few grams less due to the hollow handle! I doubt it. Maybe there is slightly more ball sensitivity, but again....don't think it's really gonna make that big of a difference. I remember when butterfly tackifire first came out many years ago. The club that sold it just got a new sheet of it in and while reading the description it said...."produces a frightening amount of spin"...so the guys and I were like woa...I gotta try this so I bought it. Ha...it wasn't much different than the other butterfly sheet I was playing with.
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I´ve made the same what he made with acoustic with Yasaka Extra ST. It was surprise that Extra is WRB, too. Not as much as Stiga WRB, but definately more hollow than Acoustic.
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