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TSuBaSa
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Sorry I have to say its not an off+ blade.
it's a great blade but not that fast. It's not stiff as any alc blade. Stiffer than allwood 7 ply blades but not that stiff like alc stuff (Not even M. Maze) Weight balance, dwell time, feeling, speed-spin-control ratio is great. Finish is also excellent. But not that fast or stiff... |
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ttping85
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Nice review slevin!
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slevin
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What a great blade!
Compared to my ZJK-ALC (which is a proxy for all other ALC blades), it is harder, stiffer (giving it better control), low throw, slower on low impact strokes and much more powerful on full-on loops / smashes (best gears I've seen in a blade). Short game is excellent (better than TB-ALC family). It is clearly an OFF+ blade. What sets it apart from other OFF+, hard blades is the amount of spin loaded in topspins - it is massive (more than the TB-ALC family, more than MJ). Quite deceiving as it does have walnut outers. It also grabs the ball (ball-bite) better than the koto-based ALC family does. The other attribute that sets it apart is that in other OFF+ blades, one sometimes finds oneself having to hold back the power. Here you don't have to. On the flip side, you have to put more effort into your stroke than you have to with a TB-ALC or a MJ. This is purely a looper's blade. I wouldn't buy if if I'm a hitter.
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andimn
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If someone is interested to buy a BF, it is on expecial offer on tb11 for $169 USD :)
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andimn
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Lol THX!
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J.P. Gatien
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Mizutani, Jun. (Blade) or Michael Jackson ;)
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andimn
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What MJ Means?
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andimn
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What MJ means?
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tom
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Jolan, Very informative. It's not that I don't topspin - would say I topspin 65% of the time, but I don't want a blade that has no power when smashing. For topspin / flat hit / control, could you rate on a 10 scale the two Barwells and is the regular one great or just adequate for flat hit. Thanks.
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Jolan
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BF is more a looper's blade than a hitter's. It behaves like the glassfiber dust layer was dampening the walnut hardness. Regular barwell is much more fitted for drives and smashes but also keeps the looping ability.
to comparé with a well know blade, I would say that BF is a bit slower than MJ, has à better control, is softer . Its biggest asset is its ability to provide abnormally heavy Topspin. Very powerful and spinny loops. Pair it with xiom sigma II euro and you will have a lethal weapon . If, like me, you are not a national champion, do it with barwell (regular) and you will have the same juicy feel but with a better control. |
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tom
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BF users,
Could anyone rate BF's flat hit / smash abilities. Does it feel powerful? And how does it compare to any well know blades. Thanks.
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slevin
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Thanks! BTW, a couple of questions: 1. how soft is BF as compared to MJ, Acoustic Carbon or TB-ALC? 2. how is it's spin capability as compared to the above blades? I'm assuming as it has a walnut outer, it may not be high?
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Hello Guys!
Recently i bought the Barwell Fleet and i dont choose the FH rubber for it, already have 4 new rubers that i bought for my old blade as so: DHS HURRICANE NEO 3 2.0MM VICTAS V> 01 LIMBER MAX ANDRO RASANT TURBO 2.1MM TIBHAR NIMBUS SOUND MAX Already choose the Nitakku Fastarc G1 for my BH. I need a ruber for my FH that help's me to play close do table because i am a physical deficient. Can you guys help-me! Thx |
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ttping85
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BF is faster than JRE, has more power than TB-ALC but is less bouncy, slower than MJ but much more control.
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bschap
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TTPing and Jolan, how does the balance of the BF compare to the B? I am using the Barwell right now and it is a tad head-heavy, altho not nearly as head-heavy as the Adelie I briefly used. I imagine the BF might be a bit less head-heavy due to extra 2mm on handle.
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Yasaka Extra Special is not bouncy, good for serve. It is very powerful. However, I personally do not like harder outer plies on the surface.
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slevin
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How fast is the BF relative to the TB-ALC, JRE or MJ?
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Jolan
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agree ! I recently switched from barwell fleet to barwell because fleet was a bit too fast for my level. I feel much more confident with regular barwell and it is indeed a bit slower than BF. |
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ttping85
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on tabletennis11.com the Barwell is rated off while the Barwell Fleet is rated off+
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bschap
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well I believe you TTPING, but Nittaku's own website, paddle palace, and TTdb all have Barwell rated faster.
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aroonkl
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With H3, any good?
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ttping85
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really? That does not make sense and in practice the Fleet is clearly faster.
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bschap
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anecdotal info...and Nittaku's own speed rating indicate Barwell is faster than Barwell Fleet.
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ttping85
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I think Barwell Fleet is the fastest Nittaku wood or glasfiber blade.
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bschap
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I am using the Barwell and enjoying it. At some point I may want some more speed tho. What Nittaku wood or wood+glass blade (not carbon) would provide a bit more speed?
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Jolan
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Barwell Fleet is now my favorite blade. I am using it for the last few monthes despite I am testing dozens of other blades and rubbers combined to them, I keep comming back to Barwell fleet. I agree it is not a speed monster OFF++, but still I find it faster than Ludeack fleet. Oddly, it has a rather soft touchy feel. Eventhow it has walnut outer ply, it feels softer than Ludeack fleet which has Limba. My loops are heavy and I don't have to force my motions to get such result. Combination with Xiom Sigma II euro is just perfect. Much better than with T64 or T05. I feel that Xiom rubbers are good enough to be favorably compared with best BTY products.
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kurokami
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barwell fleet is listed slightly harder and faster than acoustic.
i just noticed nittaku has a listing on their blade performance charts for acoustic pro but nowhere did i see it for sale.
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aroonkl
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Anyone tried Barwell Fleet with H3 ?
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ttping85
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feeling is very close to an all-wood blade but some caracteristics are closer to a carbon blade because it has a bigger sweet-spot and more power than most all-wood blades. You can clearly see the difference if you try the Barwell and Barwell Fleet. I prefer the Barwell for my BH it is softer, more flexible and has more control. If prefer the Barwell Fleet on my FH because it has a bigger sweet-spot and more power.
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<<Glassfibre is supposed to be there but is not felt or seen.>>
Interesting. So it feels like a 100% wood blade?
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