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Maybe the coaches should stick them on a plane and send them somewhere to compete against the Chinese. Or send them to China to train. It worked for Boll. (Though, it would work for anyone lol.)


Had Timo been training in China from the very beginning or at least like Waldi, he would have been on par with the likes of unbeatable ZJK/Ma Long nowadays, if not better. Well, it didnt happen, yet despite this "disadvantage" he's still a worthy opponent and the biggest threat to the Chinese. ( Yes, I said that and I meant it, hate me).


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Originally posted by TheRobot99 TheRobot99 wrote:


 
Maybe the coaches should stick them on a plane and send them somewhere to compete against the Chinese. Or send them to China to train. It worked for Boll. (Though, it would work for anyone lol.)


Had Timo been training in China from the very beginning or at least like Waldi, he would have been on par with the likes of unbeatable ZJK/Ma Long nowadays, if not better. Well, it didnt happen, yet despite this "disadvantage" he's still a worthy opponent and the biggest threat to the Chinese. ( Yes, I said that and I meant it, hate me).
I can't hate what you said when it's been reported that Chinese coaches have said that Europe has more natural talent and table tennis "genius" than China.
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Originally posted by TheRobot99 TheRobot99 wrote:

Originally posted by vutiendat1337 vutiendat1337 wrote:

Originally posted by TheRobot99 TheRobot99 wrote:


 
Maybe the coaches should stick them on a plane and send them somewhere to compete against the Chinese. Or send them to China to train. It worked for Boll. (Though, it would work for anyone lol.)


Had Timo been training in China from the very beginning or at least like Waldi, he would have been on par with the likes of unbeatable ZJK/Ma Long nowadays, if not better. Well, it didnt happen, yet despite this "disadvantage" he's still a worthy opponent and the biggest threat to the Chinese. ( Yes, I said that and I meant it, hate me).
I can't hate what you said when it's been reported that Chinese coaches have said that Europe has more natural talent and table tennis "genius" than China.


Well, I don't know. However, it might be just a complimentary so the Europeans don't feel that bad? HAHA. And also, give the population ratio, logically for one Timo there should be quite a bunch of at least equally talented. But on the other hand, Timo is the living proof of what you said. Btw: IMO Michael Maze is probably even more talented than Timo. Just look at him :)
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Originally posted by vutiendat1337 vutiendat1337 wrote:


Well, I don't know. However, it might be just a complimentary so the Europeans don't feel that bad? HAHA. And also, give the population ratio, logically for one Timo there should be quite a bunch of at least equally talented. But on the other hand, Timo is the living proof of what you said. Btw: IMO Michael Maze is probably even more talented than Timo. Just look at him :)
The coaches then followed the talent and "genius" statement by saying their training is so much better that talent won't help Europeans lol.

I would have to agree with Michael Maze being more talented. However, many would say he's a great example of wasted talent lol.
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Maze is more talented than Timo. Boll is stronger and more consistent psychologically though. I dont think that there is as big a gap between Europe and China in mens game as people make out. Just need European Players to play/train in China more and to be mentally tougher/more positive-believe more in themselves. I also believe Europe would benefit from a more co-ordinated approach with national associations working more closely with each other.
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Originally posted by riker71 riker71 wrote:

Maze is more talented than Timo. Boll is stronger and more consistent psychologically though. I dont think that there is as big a gap between Europe and China in mens game as people make out. Just need European Players to play/train in China more and to be mentally tougher/more positive-believe more in themselves. I also believe Europe would benefit from a more co-ordinated approach with national associations working more closely with each other.


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Originally posted by TheRobot99 TheRobot99 wrote:


The coaches then followed the talent and "genius" statement by saying their training is so much better that talent won't help Europeans lol.

I would have to agree with Michael Maze being more talented. However, many would say he's a great example of wasted talent lol.


I couldn't agree more. What a waste, not to mention the injury and being out for like a year? Meanwhile the top tier has made a big leap since the last time MM starred. Too bad. I like his charisma and personality. I mean, if you look at his game, it's like improvisation, hahaha. I won't ever get enough of him recovering from loosing balance during matches.
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Originally posted by vutiendat1337 vutiendat1337 wrote:



Had Timo been training in China from the very beginning or at least like Waldi, he would have been on par with the likes of unbeatable ZJK/Ma Long nowadays, if not better. Well, it didnt happen, yet despite this "disadvantage" he's still a worthy opponent and the biggest threat to the Chinese. ( Yes, I said that and I meant it, hate me).


Since the Europeans don't have a system near as good as China's, those who rise in the ranks have to be individual geniuses. Although in China, you have to work very hard to take advantage of their system and beat out the competition.
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Originally posted by riker71 riker71 wrote:

Maze is more talented than Timo. Boll is stronger and more consistent psychologically though. I dont think that there is as big a gap between Europe and China in mens game as people make out. Just need European Players to play/train in China more and to be mentally tougher/more positive-believe more in themselves. I also believe Europe would benefit from a more co-ordinated approach with national associations working more closely with each other.


Would Boll or Maze be mentally and physically strong enough to sustain the long years of training in China? Their body might of broken down, or they might of got beat up by the tough competition early on, and couldn't continue...
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Maze mostly got "beaten up" by himself - he allowed to be sucked into the "jet-set" kind of life and lost a few very important years to mediocre play... at the same time - from 2003 to 2007 Timo steadily rose to his current position (which is the only current European player who can consistently compete with the top Chinese players and often defeat them).  Vladi can still do that but only once a year, alas...
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JimT, could you expand a little on this Maze "jet-set" and "mediocre play"? My understanding is that he was mostly dealing with a knee injury after winning the 2009 European title.
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Originally posted by BeaverMD BeaverMD wrote:

JimT, could you expand a little on this Maze "jet-set" and "mediocre play"? My understanding is that he was mostly dealing with a knee injury after winning the 2009 European title.


I am talking about his style after 2005 WTTC when he was on top of his game, very famous in Europe etc. He bought homes, cars, entertained himself etc... and forgot to work on his training. So for the next few years he really didn't accomplish much.
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