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[FINAL|NEW Version!!] WANG Hao - MA Long (private* recording) [Full Match|Short Form]

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Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Ma Lin didn't deal well with robinot service. i didn't see ma lin playing poorly. imo he had a bad day.
in 1997 liu guoliang had a bad day with karakasevic in the wttc. he didn't deal with karakasevic's game well that day. liu lost in the first rounds in 1997 wttc. in 1999 wttc liu is world singles tt champion.
tt is a very technical game. a little difference or difficult ball drives to a hard result.
 
btwy, robinot playing a boll forte shows that there is no need to worry so much about equipment.
 


yes also waldner lost in the first round twice, there is nothing wrong
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Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Originally posted by TheRobot99 TheRobot99 wrote:

Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Ma Lin didn't deal well with robinot service. i didn't see ma lin playing poorly. imo he had a bad day.
in 1997 liu guoliang had a bad day with karakasevic in the wttc. he didn't deal with karakasevic's game well that day.
tt is a very technical game. a little difference or difficult ball drives to a hard result.
 
btwy, robinot playing a boll forte shows that there is no need to worry so much about equipment.
 
Considering that Ma Lin is from the era of hidden serves, I think there's less excuses for him on having bad returns.
the more ignorant is someone the more demanding is about others.
in 1997 karakasevic played lot worse than robinot against liu and won. for sure you would say there is no excuses. but l.gl. was wttchampion in 1999.
 
the world does not end because losing one match.
My comment only referred to the previous comment on returning serves and that there was less of an excuse. Not no excuse. Personally, I think players who are from that era (hidden serves, 21-point game, speed gluing, etc.) should be able to read serves a lot better than the much younger generation.

As for Karakasevic vs. LGL, I have no information on that match other than who won so I'm not going to comment on that.
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Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Ma Lin didn't deal well with robinot service. i didn't see ma lin playing poorly. imo he had a bad day.
in 1997 liu guoliang had a bad day with karakasevic in the wttc. he didn't deal with karakasevic's game well that day.
tt is a very technical game. a little difference or difficult ball drives to a hard result.
 
btwy, robinot playing a boll forte shows that there is no need to worry so much about equipment.
 
Considering that Ma Lin is from the era of hidden serves, I think there's less excuses for him on having bad returns.
the more ignorant is someone the more demanding is about others.
in 1997 karakasevic played lot worse than robinot against liu and won. for sure you would say there is no excuses. but l.gl. was wttchampion in 1999.
 
the world does not end because losing one match.
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Originally posted by ejmaster ejmaster wrote:

Ma Lin didn't deal well with robinot service. i didn't see ma lin playing poorly. imo he had a bad day.
in 1997 liu guoliang had a bad day with karakasevic in the wttc. he didn't deal with karakasevic's game well that day.
tt is a very technical game. a little difference or difficult ball drives to a hard result.
 
btwy, robinot playing a boll forte shows that there is no need to worry so much about equipment.
 
Considering that Ma Lin is from the era of hidden serves, I think there's less excuses for him on having bad returns.
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Ma Lin didn't deal well with robinot service. i didn't see ma lin playing poorly. imo he had a bad day.
in 1997 liu guoliang had a bad day with karakasevic in the wttc. he didn't deal with karakasevic's game well that day. liu lost in the first rounds in 1997 wttc. in 1999 wttc liu is world singles tt champion.
tt is a very technical game. a little difference or difficult ball drives to a hard result.
 
btwy, robinot playing a boll forte shows that there is no need to worry so much about equipment.
 

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Quentin Robinot defeating Ma Lin.
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Ma Lin is going down the hill, he lost to a player came from the Qualification Group.
Further more, Quentin Robinot didn't even do well in his Qualification Group.
 
3 players in the Group 12, Quentin Robinot was 2nd (lost to DESAI but beat GUMAN).
 
*** No chance for Ma Lin to go to London in 2012. IMO. ***
 
 
Group 12                             Details of group 12
12 1   ROBINOT Quentin  FRA    3-4 4-2 1  1  3  2 
2   DESAI Harmeet  IND    4-3 4-0 2  0  4  1 
3   GUMAN Martin  SVK    2-4 0-4 0  2  2  3
 


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Quentin Robinot defeating Ma Lin



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Here is my SWEDISH OPEN PLAYLIST of seven Full Matches in Short Form and one in Full long form

[7 matches in full/short form = ms-f (1), ms-sf (2), ms-qf (2), ms-R16 (1), R32 (1)]  
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[Women's Singles Final  in Full long form/cctv (3 parts)]

(ms-f*, ws-f* and one of the ms-qf* are cctv-versions => (*) chinese language) 



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(ms-sf) WANG Hao - WANG Liqin [Full Match|Short Form]


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(ms-sf) KISHIKAWA Seiya - MA Long [Full Match|Short Form]


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# by : TTPoster' s Channel  :::

Men's Doubles Final :: 
Wang Liqin (CHN) / Yan An (CHN) vs. Tang Peng (HKG) / Jiang Tianyi (HKG)
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Janus, thank you very much! good links...
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Does anyone at least have a news link with the results of 2011 China Nationals?

Hi JimT, there's no video of men's/women's singles in Chinese Nationals 2011 -only Team Finals videos exist in my channel & CCTV. For info/details about those videos read the video-descriptions.

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  • Ma Long is the new Chinese National Men Champion

    The 2011 Chinese National championships had the final judgement for the Men Singles this afternoon in Jiangsu. After overcoming the challenge from the defending champion Zhang Jike, Ma Long faced the Olympic champion and veteran Ma Lin. In their round, ...

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    Liu Shiwen is the new Chinese National Champion

    The 2011 Chinese National championships had the final judgement for the Women Singles this afternoon in Jiangsu. In the round, after posting impressive results against Li Xiaoxia, Liu Shiwen once again defended her position in the National Team successfully. In ...
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Does anyone at least have a news link with the results of 2011 China Nationals?
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I could only find China Nationals final for Men Team... on janus700 channel
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Originally posted by Fruit loop Fruit loop wrote:

Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

how did ma long oust two world champions? His draw was the easiest draw in the tournament. His first chinese player was in the final. Who did he have before that that could beat any of the chinese in the tournament?
 
Wang Hao had to beat Yan An, Jun Mizutani, and then Wang Liqin before he played Ma Long. I lend his 4-0 win over wang hao more to the fact that he didn't have to do anything to get to the final and Wang Hao had to do everything. No Matter who got there it would have been much steeper of a climb for them in the final than it was for Ma Long. Wang Liqin would have faced his 3rd chinese in the final, ZJK would have faced his 3rd chinese in the final, and Wang Hao did the same.
 
much less impressive feat than it's getting credit for when taking into account ma long's standard as well as the standard of the rest of the guys on the team. Any one of them in the tournament could have done the same if the draw was switched.


If that was the case then ma lin wouldn't have lost first round and met ma long in the semi-final. He's world number 1 and deserves the draw he was given. The most impressive thing is ma long played his most difficult match up and won 4-0. Sure it would've been more difficult to not drop a single game but he beat his opposition. More impressive i think is 3 straight pro-tours AND the chinese national, arguably the most difficult tournament in the world to win.
 
I get the sense Chinese players become dominant once they won the Nationals. Ma Lin, Wang Hao, Chang Jike, they all won twice if I am not mistaken. It is the first for Ma Long, World Cup, WTTC and Olympics to follow. He looka unbeatable at this moment.
 
He needs to be more consistent though, last couple of years have not been great.
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Originally posted by vvk1 vvk1 wrote:

The 2012 Chinese Nationals are about a year away, but the videos from 2011 are here:


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That video is not 2011 Chinese Nationals (it's Swedish open).
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The 2012 Chinese Nationals are about a year away, but the videos from 2011 are here:


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Originally posted by Fruit loop Fruit loop wrote:


If that was the case then ma lin wouldn't have lost first round and met ma long in the semi-final. He's world number 1 and deserves the draw he was given. The most impressive thing is ma long played his most difficult match up and won 4-0. Sure it would've been more difficult to not drop a single game but he beat his opposition. More impressive i think is 3 straight pro-tours AND the chinese national, arguably the most difficult tournament in the world to win.


Did Ma Long win Chinese National Championship 2012? where? videos? thx!
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Ma Long has won 5 consecutive championships. For those who are his haters, you still have doubt and excuse?
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Originally posted by bbkon bbkon wrote:

the 1997 draw was easier ,on the vladi side was wlq ,ma lin,ding song,klh....  ma long ousted 2 world champions in SO.... waldner would have never defeated all that players


....says the avowed Waldner-hater, bbkon

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Originally posted by beeray1 beeray1 wrote:

how did ma long oust two world champions? His draw was the easiest draw in the tournament. His first chinese player was in the final. Who did he have before that that could beat any of the chinese in the tournament?
 
Wang Hao had to beat Yan An, Jun Mizutani, and then Wang Liqin before he played Ma Long. I lend his 4-0 win over wang hao more to the fact that he didn't have to do anything to get to the final and Wang Hao had to do everything. No Matter who got there it would have been much steeper of a climb for them in the final than it was for Ma Long. Wang Liqin would have faced his 3rd chinese in the final, ZJK would have faced his 3rd chinese in the final, and Wang Hao did the same.
 
much less impressive feat than it's getting credit for when taking into account ma long's standard as well as the standard of the rest of the guys on the team. Any one of them in the tournament could have done the same if the draw was switched.


If that was the case then ma lin wouldn't have lost first round and met ma long in the semi-final. He's world number 1 and deserves the draw he was given. The most impressive thing is ma long played his most difficult match up and won 4-0. Sure it would've been more difficult to not drop a single game but he beat his opposition. More impressive i think is 3 straight pro-tours AND the chinese national, arguably the most difficult tournament in the world to win.
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how did ma long oust two world champions? His draw was the easiest draw in the tournament. His first chinese player was in the final. Who did he have before that that could beat any of the chinese in the tournament?
 
Wang Hao had to beat Yan An, Jun Mizutani, and then Wang Liqin before he played Ma Long. I lend his 4-0 win over wang hao more to the fact that he didn't have to do anything to get to the final and Wang Hao had to do everything. No Matter who got there it would have been much steeper of a climb for them in the final than it was for Ma Long. Wang Liqin would have faced his 3rd chinese in the final, ZJK would have faced his 3rd chinese in the final, and Wang Hao did the same.
 
much less impressive feat than it's getting credit for when taking into account ma long's standard as well as the standard of the rest of the guys on the team. Any one of them in the tournament could have done the same if the draw was switched.
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the 1997 draw was easier ,on the vladi side was wlq ,ma lin,ding song,klh....  ma long ousted 2 world champions in SO.... waldner would have never defeated all that players

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Originally posted by jdzhao jdzhao wrote:

Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

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Not One Game Surrendered
In 1997 at the World Championships in Manchester, Jan-Ove Waldner won the Men’s Singles title without the loss of a single game; in 2011 in Stockholm, Ma Long emulated the legendary Swede.
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1997 was too long ago, hard to find much information.
The following link may not be the one that you were talking about.
(But, it did mention 1997, it did mention Manchester England, it did mention Jan-Ove Waldner.)
 
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Finally found the link that said that Jan Ove Waldner never lost a game in singles in that tournament.
 


 

I think doing it with 11 point games is more difficult



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Originally posted by janus700 janus700 wrote:

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Women's Singles Final :: GUO Yan (CHN) vs LIU Shiwen (CHN)

Guo Yan has the best ball feel, no one really compares. If she was a little bit quicker, then no one would ever touch her level.
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I think doing it with 11 point games is more difficult.
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I agree.
Doing it on 4 games out of 7 for 11 points is far more difficult than
doing it on 3 games out of 5 for 21 points.


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Also, did anyone notice that Ma Long is moving away from the BH flick?  He started returning all slow services with the BH even before ZJK did, and it was quite effective when he'd return short serves to his FH side with a BH flick.  Recently, however, I've noticed that Ma Long has really started returning less shots with the BH flick and rely more on an improved short game instead. A lot of short pushes, short "bai", and BH flips, but relatively many fewer BH flicks.

I think this has allowed him to do two things.  One, he can get in a much more powerful FH opening loops.  Two, he can be in better position after the opening loop than when he moves to the FH side to use his BH to return a shot.  It seems like people have gotten much better at returning those BH flicks, Ma Long in particular actually(just watch how he handles ZJK's BH flicks), and the short game is now back in vogue.
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