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This is a silly debate. They are rivals and they are both significantly ahead of the rest of the pack. Ma Long is world #1, Zhang Jike is world champion. Assuming nobody gets injured and Ma Long makes it (in place of Wang Hao) to the Olympics, it's gonna be a hell of a battle Ma Long vs. Zhang Jike for the gold medal bragging rights.

So far they've both put Wang Hao, Ma Lin and Xu Xin in the shade. In the interview referred to earlier, Ma Long said (with conviction):

"The turning point was when Zhang Jike bagged the World Championship title. I have been ahead of Zhang Jike before so when he won in Rotterdam, it really had a great impact on me." Ma Long admitted. 

Ma Long said that from a perspective of an athlete, they never concede defeat that easily. "Next year is the Olympic year. Every match now is related to the final qualification next year. So winning the championship title is an inspiration for me. I hope that I will exceed him." Ma Long said with conviction.
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It appears that Ma Long has lacked the level of conviction to obtain a major championship title to this point, and that he has clearly been exceeded by ZJK is this concern.  Ma Long has had more opportunities and zero results.
Nothing but silly butt-hurt whining.
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You should look up the definition of "whining" first.
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I don't hate Ma Long at all.  I do prefer Zhang Jike.  The reason is because I like that he is different than the rest of the Chinese as far as personalities are concerned.  He is a rebel, and I sort of like that.  I'm also not saying that Ma Long is a choker.  My point is that when ZJK is given a chance to perform in big time events, he does, and Ma Long doesn't.  I think everyone is just in a Ma Long craze because he has won a bunch of pro tour events. 
ZJK beating Timo in the semi's is huge.  There is way more pressure on the Chinese players to beat foreigners (especially Timo) than when they play other Chinese players (just ask Hao Shuai). 

Zhang Jike has been both sick and injured in the past few months.  He was even injured playing World Cup and still managed to win. 

I am also not excusing ZJK not shaking hands.  I think he should have done so, but it's not like in tennis where they have a real handshake at the end of the match.  It's basically an acknowledgment, and ZJK should have acknowledged Ma Long after the match. 

For what it's worth, I enjoy a good honest debate.  That's what I enjoy about these forums.  There is no need to be calling someone stupid. 
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ZJK didn't win the 2010 WC when he was given a chance, did he?  And really, the WC is a big tournament in name only, the level of competition isn't even close to the Chinese national team trials.  The WTTC is the only truly major tournament these days when you factor in both competition and recognition.  Ma Long has been given more chances sure, but let's face it, he didn't really become such a dominant force until the second half of 2011, especially not mentally. 

As for ZJK not shaking hands, I think it's way overblown.  Sometimes when you win big or lose big, you get so distracted by emotions that you forget the common courtesy.  It happened in I think 95 when Wang Tao beat Persson to win the WTTTC for China, he just dropped to the floor and was mobbed by his teammates while Persson was trying to shake his hand.  I'm sure Wang Tao wasn't being impolite, he was just overcome by the joy of winning such a big event.
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I do not want to get involved in the debate of who's better than who.  There are a lot of debates out there regarding who's the greatest, and everybody goes nuts about it so I stay away from this kind of debate.  But not shaking hand after a match, especially when losing, is just unsportsmanship. 

I like this quote in the movie "Any Given Sunday": 

On any given Sunday, you're gonna win or you're gonna lose.  The point is - can you win or lose like a man?

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P.S. just to be clear, I'm not a fan of either Ma Long or Zhang Jike.  My idol is an older generation player.


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Ma Long is at present the world number 1.
 
If he goes to the Olympics he is the maximum favorite to win.
 
In a match against any player in the world he is probably going to win.
 
And Zhang Jike is the number 2.
 
Because Ma Long is number 1 and Zhang Jike is number 2, Ma Long usually beats ZJK.
 
And in the last ZJK defeat in the Asian Champs. ZJK, who is very young, steamed and didn't shake hands to Ma Long.
 
Things are very clear, aren't they. 
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Originally posted by FireHorse FireHorse wrote:

I do not want to get involved in the debate of who's better than who.  There are a lot of debates out there regarding who's the greatest, and everybody goes nuts about it so I stay away from this kind of debate.  But not shaking hand after a match, especially when losing, is just unsportsmanship. 

I like this quote in the movie "Any Given Sunday": 

On any given Sunday, you're gonna win or you're gonna lose.  The point is - can you win or lose like a man?

FireHorse

P.S. just to be clear, I'm not a fan of either Ma Long or Zhang Jike.  My idol is an older generation player.


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Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

You should look up the definition of "whining" first.

Would be so kind as to explain it to me?
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Originally posted by snerdly snerdly wrote:

Originally posted by dingyibvs dingyibvs wrote:

You should look up the definition of "whining" first.

Would be so kind as to explain it to me?


I'll try - "whining" is repeatedly and loudly complaining and doing nothing about it.  What Ma Long did was point out one of his inspirations - he clearly did something about it and I haven't seen him complain.
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Originally posted by sandiway sandiway wrote:

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So far they've both put Wang Hao, Ma Lin and Xu Xin in the shade. In the interview referred to earlier, Ma Long said (with conviction):

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Xu Xin is not even 21 yet (or might just be 21) - again, let's keep things in perspective and remember that he might be where Ma Long and Zhang Jike were a year or two ago!
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Try harder.  That is not the definition of whining, though it may be your definition.
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Originally posted by snerdly snerdly wrote:

Try harder.  That is not the definition of whining, though it may be your definition.



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whine  (hwn, wn)
v. whined, whin·ing, whines
v.intr.
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
v.tr.
To utter with a whine.
n.
1. The act of whining.
2. A whining sound.
3. A complaint uttered in a plaintive tone.


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So how is Ma Long being childish or complaining?

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XX right now is under the most pressure to perform since ML and ZJK are the favourites to play in olympics.

Every match right now, he knows he has to perform to maximum ability just so he can push the coaches to maybe give him a chance.

There is nobody that is under more pressure than XX to win right now and i dont see him acting like a prick when he lost to ML.

just for the record, XX does much better against ML than ZJK does so don't give me the rivalry excuse
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Originally posted by snerdly snerdly wrote:

Try harder.  That is not the definition of whining, though it may be your definition.




I don't see Ma Long whining about anything... His fans maybe, but he's notLOL

Had he said "I would of beat him in the worlds had I met him, and he wouldn't have won it", then that'd be whining. He simply said ZJK's win inspired him to do better...
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by snerdly snerdly wrote:

Try harder.  That is not the definition of whining, though it may be your definition.



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whine  (hwn, wn)
v. whined, whin·ing, whines
v.intr.
1. To utter a plaintive, high-pitched, protracted sound, as in pain, fear, supplication, or complaint.
2. To complain or protest in a childish fashion.
3. To produce a sustained noise of relatively high pitch: jet engines whining.
v.tr.
To utter with a whine.
n.
1. The act of whining.
2. A whining sound.
3. A complaint uttered in a plaintive tone.


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So how is Ma Long being childish or complaining?


Come on now, the guy obviously doesn't understand English too well, let's not be too hard on him!
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Originally posted by SoWhySoSerious SoWhySoSerious wrote:

Originally posted by FireHorse FireHorse wrote:

I do not want to get involved in the debate of who's better than who.  There are a lot of debates out there regarding who's the greatest, and everybody goes nuts about it so I stay away from this kind of debate.  But not shaking hand after a match, especially when losing, is just unsportsmanship. 

I like this quote in the movie "Any Given Sunday": 

On any given Sunday, you're gonna win or you're gonna lose.  The point is - can you win or lose like a man?

FireHorse

P.S. just to be clear, I'm not a fan of either Ma Long or Zhang Jike.  My idol is an older generation player.


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The Chinese national team is strict, I'm sure Zhang Jike will get a word or two from the coaching staff
They can punnish you, no matter how good you are.
I think Zhang was just being stuppid, he will soon realise that what he is doing is not helping him.
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So whining does require repetition?  It is not anywhere in the definition.  And even though loudness may be a part of the definition, it is not required either. 

As for Ma Long whining, I have not at any time claimed that he whined.

Parochial intellect?  Projection on your part.
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Ma Long is better because he won the last meeting and Joo is better than Timo for the same reason.

This is simple, but should Joo go to the olympics, I would think Ryu should decide.

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is it just me or does Zhang Jike seem to be having problems with his left knee it seems that way also in the semis against Wang Hoa.
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