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    Posted: 05/07/2018 at 3:35pm
I have clear varnish, the one used for furniture and I also have a few premades lying around. I have removed the rubbers, and sanded them clean of all sponge and glue residue. They will be my guinea pigs as I experiment my sealing skills before I move on to one of my blades.

I have it in both a spray can and the regular can where I would need to use a brush or thin cotton cloth. I am thinking it might be hard to get an even layer that is uniformly thick with the spray so I will go with the cotton cloth.
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Ranger-man, you're too kind. ;-) Thanks, my friend. Glad it worked out. No sealing service at this time, but . . . 
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

For a non-toxic, VOC-Free sealant:
http://www.afmsafecoat.com/products/clear-finishes/safecoat-polyureseal-bp-satin

For better top-ply penetration at the cost of some out-gassing:
https://www.minwax.com/wood-products/clear-protective-finishes/interior/minwax-fastdrying-polyurethane

Both dry completely within 24 hours (48 is best).

I bought a Nittaku Violin Cpen from you many years ago and it is one of the most perfectly sealed blades I have seen. Still flexy, great feeling and not very fast. Loops like a dream. You don't by any chance run a sealing service do you? Big smile
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For a non-toxic, VOC-Free sealant:
http://www.afmsafecoat.com/products/clear-finishes/safecoat-polyureseal-bp-satin

For better top-ply penetration at the cost of some out-gassing:
https://www.minwax.com/wood-products/clear-protective-finishes/interior/minwax-fastdrying-polyurethane

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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

A simple approach is old fashioned hair spray.  Let it dry on the blade.  Then glue. Doesn't interfere with glue sticking the rubber to the blade which can happen with some sealed blades.


I think that can happen with oversealing or using those water based top coat sealers tommyzai mentioned. With oil based wipe on poly 1 layer absorbs really well into the bare wood and retains the original bare wood texture. I was afraid of splintering when taking off rubbers, hence started sealing.
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A simple approach is old fashioned hair spray.  Let it dry on the blade.  Then glue. Doesn't interfere with glue sticking the rubber to the blade which can happen with some sealed blades.
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

I haven't noticed any changes to the blade feel, speed, or anything like that. Sealing might add a gram or two to the overall weight of the blade.


Ditto!! If there is a difference, it's not noticeable . . . unless you put a zillion layers on the blade so it looks like a high-gloss coffee table. Do a search for a member called Hookshot. We did a lot of experimenting over the years.


I followed your recommendation when I started to seal my blades tommyzai
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Originally posted by DreiZ DreiZ wrote:

I haven't noticed any changes to the blade feel, speed, or anything like that. Sealing might add a gram or two to the overall weight of the blade.

Ditto!! If there is a difference, it's not noticeable . . . unless you put a zillion layers on the blade so it looks like a high-gloss coffee table. Do a search for a member called Hookshot. We did a lot of experimenting over the years.
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Originally posted by juanma4080 juanma4080 wrote:

so i have a question, wich brand of sealing it´s the best? could say some tabe tennis brands? revolution nr3. or donic....etc or maybe from furniture, and wich water glue it´s the best for a sealing blade? 

I started to seal all my blades last year and I chose MINWAX Wipe On Poly - Clear Satin based on recommendations on this forum.

Its an oil based sealer that absorbs into the wood. I only use one coat by dipping a normal glue sponge and covering the blade and then wiping off any excess with a cotton rag. No need to sand since this stuff absorbs into the wood pretty well. 

I tried clear satin and gloss version of the Wipe On Poly. Clear satin adds a slightly darker shade to bare wood while gloss version adds a sheen which I didn't like.

I recommend sealing all your blades especially if you reglue a lot with water based glue. Sealing the handle with the same method also protects from sweaty hands and actually for me adds a tiny bit more grip.

If anyone has any questions on my method of sealing I can post step by step if you are new to this.
I haven't noticed any changes to the blade feel, speed, or anything like that. Sealing might add a gram or two to the overall weight of the blade.
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PS. Don't seal if you need an excuse to buy a new blade. ;-)
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I previously used water-based Varathane, but later switched to an oil-based mini wax (both clear satin finish). The reason I switched was . . . the oil-based penetrates the top layer better to bind the fibers whereas the water-based only binds the very top fluffy layer and sits on top more . . . probably better for over-sealing or lacquering. HOWEVER, lately I've become more concern with health and keeping my racket legal. As a result, I have switched to:  Safecoat PolyureSeal BP by AFM. It's non-toxic. Regardless of what you use, use sparingly . . . put sealant on a clean cotton clothe that does not fray or have fibers falling off it . . . then evenly rub into top ply, careful not to allow spillage over the edge (wipe the edge after coat). I usually let it dry and go over it once more, but that depends on the type of wood, e.g., Hinoki usually doesn't need additional coats. I hope this helps. All the best and happy sealing. Tzai.
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so i have a question, wich brand of sealing it´s the best? could say some tabe tennis brands? revolution nr3. or donic....etc or maybe from furniture, and wich water glue it´s the best for a sealing blade? 
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Originally posted by AlexVan AlexVan wrote:

Hi Folks,

Do I need to re-apply the sealer if the blade had been sealed?  If yes, How do often do I need to do that? thanks!


This depends on many factors.   What type of sealer was used, how much was used (how thick it was or was not applied), and what type of wood is on the surface of the blade. 

Some sealers last a long time....some are very thin and may require resealing from time to time.  It will depend on how often you change your rubbers or re-glue them. 

You will definitely know when it it time to reseal your blade when you find tiny (hopefully) wood splinters in the glue on the rubber when you take the rubber off the blade.  But, it it could be too late if you see large splinters coming up. 



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Originally posted by AlexVan AlexVan wrote:

Hi Folks,

Do I need to re-apply the sealer if the blade had been sealed?  If yes, How do often do I need to do that? thanks!
Only once, no need to re-seal.

P.S. Some blades you must seal them, and some blades (not the coated blades) you do not need to seal them Embarrassed


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Hi Folks,

Do I need to re-apply the sealer if the blade had been sealed?  If yes, How do often do I need to do that? thanks!


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good info here, thanks to everyone esp Tommy Zai.
Q - I am loath to sand my blade head surface and also to apply anything harsh like rubbing alcohol.  What is the potential problem to applying the seal without doing these two things?  
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Thanks ! The original sanding tool i had used was real cheapo and wasn't meant for removing paint / lacquer. i had bought something just like what you mentioned from lowes and it worked. i no longer see the trace of sealant on the surface and i can feel the wood now. 

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Ive never sealed any of my blades ( started in a club in 1974) 
 actually only one customer has ever asked for a sealed blade
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Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

 the WB glue doesn't stick to the rubber very well sometimes only on this side.
 
If the sealant is WB spit on the blade and slightly rub it with fine sandpaper.
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you'll need at least one tool to remove sealant: sandpaper.
another tool highly recommended: a small wood block.
wrap the sandpaper around the wood block so you can sand evenly.

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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Blade sealing! LOLRemoval is easy, but I'm not telling.

Anybody else who really knows and cares to share the same ?


Are you seriously upset with me? I'm joking. :-0.
Why do you want to remove the sealant? Is there too much?
What kind of sealant is on there?
Nay i really didn't get the tone ; nevertheless i do not have a clue of the sealant used as i bought the blade used from somebody else who bought it used too . Now the reason i want to remove is it's not applied to both sides of the blade as said earlier and it feels different especially while applying the glue the WB glue doesn't stick to the rubber very well sometimes only on this side.
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Unsealed blades are basically disposable. 
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Originally posted by right2niru right2niru wrote:

Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Blade sealing! LOLRemoval is easy, but I'm not telling.

Anybody else who really knows and cares to share the same ?


Are you seriously upset with me? I'm joking. :-0.
Why do you want to remove the sealant? Is there too much?
What kind of sealant is on there?
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Originally posted by tommyzai tommyzai wrote:

Blade sealing! LOLRemoval is easy, but I'm not telling.


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Originally posted by icontek icontek wrote:


To clarify:
I can come up with at least THREE REASONS that most manufacturers don't seal.

1 increased cost in materials and complexity/cost of manufacturing process
  
2 if you damage your blade and have to replace it, this can help the manufacturer sell more blades (it's likely why so few blade manufacturers integrate edge protection into their design).

3 for years the player has been responsible for final finishing-Stiga is a great example- we complain that these blades often look shoddy, but Stiga understands that some of their players will want a light seal and others will want a heavy lacquer. A bare blade is the best way to allow players to customize and the Classic Series allows for that.

Icontek, none of these three reasons are valid in a competitive market. 

Think about american auto manufacturers. They produced cheap junk than needed to be replaced often. Did that help them? They all went bankrupt. There is always someone who will decide to produce high quality product and win all the market share, so you can't survive by intentionally producing junk and hoping they will buy more of it.

Also higher costs are not a deterrent. The question is are these costs justified, do they improve the product enough. When iphone came around it was the most expensive phone on the market. It still killed everything ( for a while, now even better phones out there). 

That is exactly the beauty of the free market. None of these games work. Companies get punished hard for poor quality. The only way these nasty practices can work is with the help of the government. Like the Big Three bitched to congress and congress imposed import quotas on cars, so GM can sell the junk free of competition. Without government restriction of free market every company strives to produce the highest quality product at the lowest price. Amazing feast of nature that we should never interfere with.
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Blade sealing! LOL
Removal is easy, but I'm not telling.
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I may perhaps be the first person in this thread asking on how to remove a sealing from the surface of the blade ? I bought a used blade and only 1 side of it was sealed and it feels really really smooth but i dont like that and also feel that in some way not sealing both side of the blade is affecting the overall feel; could the experts chip in on how to remove a sealing from the surface without damaging the holy grains of wood ? I tried sanding but not sure if it works.
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Yes ! Keep the blade clean ! I like it that way. Thumbs Up
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yes, I very much like the way you sanded the wings, and notwithstanding the sealing, the blade still smells like hinoki. The only thing I'll do is to clean the lens, because there is some dry sealant on it. I usually put some tape on the lens before sealing the handle of a blade, so that it stays clean.

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