skip3119 wrote: Tufeis wrote: OSP  IMMUNE  OX   DER  MATERIALSPEZIALIST   SUPERWALL  OX  LP  RED ======================= Where to buy this rubber, about how much it costs?

Edited by Tufeis - 05/28/2015 at 10:46am

Egghead wrote: acid wrote: i played with a long pip player before and he told me that OX is easier to control but with sponge is like adding a spring to it. more spin, more impact/pushing/tension but hard to control. Usually they choose 0.6mm sponge. I don't see anybody play with more than > 1.0mm yet. And most of them play far away from the table. Long pips usually give people trouble. However, experienced players and players ranking more 2500 can kill your long pips return easily. 1.0 mm sponge, it will act like an inverted rubber. So pushing / chopping are not as good as thin sponge / ox LP; You are better attack with the lp with sponge. haha, old thread brings back memories, from 563 (1.8mm) -> lp ox -> trying lp (0.5mm) / sp (1.7mm)

If you can control it, LP 1.0 is easier to chop off the table.

Now I'm using Spinlord Agenda OX for chopping distant from the table but I have experience with neptune 0.7 mm.

Tufeis wrote:

Who are these players?

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Edited by Egghead - 05/25/2015 at 1:54pm

acid wrote: i played with a long pip player before and he told me that OX is easier to control but with sponge is like adding a spring to it. more spin, more impact/pushing/tension but hard to control. Usually they choose 0.6mm sponge. I don't see anybody play with more than > 1.0mm yet. And most of them play far away from the table. Long pips usually give people trouble. However, experienced players and players ranking more 2500 can kill your long pips return easily.

Edited by Egghead - 05/28/2015 at 2:24am

I tried both OX and 1.0 Yasaka Phantom in the backhand of my cpen bat.

i played with a long pip player before and he told me that OX is easier to control but with sponge is like adding a spring to it. more spin, more impact/pushing/tension but hard to control. Usually they choose 0.6mm sponge.

I don't see anybody play with more than > 1.0mm yet. And most of them play far away from the table.

Long pips usually give people trouble. However, experienced players and players ranking more 2500 can kill your long pips return easily.




Edited by acid - 04/03/2015 at 3:55pm

Hello friends of TT.

ZingyDNA wrote: Uh, no, we're saying the ball can be hit faster with the exact same stroke, if you use a thicker sponge.

Hitting a ball for high speed with a bare blade can have a lot more impact for the ball then dropping it or softly bounce on a floor. Much more deformation going with it.
I assume this drops the efficiency for the rebound from side of the ball as weaker (also from shape). Sponge decreases this deformation offcourse. Even if it looses some from the side of the racquet (and player) when it gains more from the balls side the result can still be a gain. Also for the player.
Ox is not a totally bare blade offcourse (balls can even be cracked then) but still.  This type of drop in speed won,t help for control as usual. It,s too much unexpected behavour for that difficult for controlling the ball. With ox on blades that tend to be more harsh on a ball (off+ carbon blades for instance) this will increase. Some sponge (if it,s not an offensive sponge) will therefor be easier when the blade is more an offensive blade. The speed doesn,t increase from a more defensive sponge.
Typical for this (I think) is that on softer allround or defensive blades or also thick soft balsa blades thinner sponge can be faster then max or at least the difference is less then with some hard off+ blades.
The loss from the additional sponge starts to prevail then over the gain because the blade allready has a softness from itself to keep the deformation of the ball lower.

Other reason why a sponge can be easier on offensive blades is that it can help graze more spin from a topspin. That can avoid balls to float long sometimes from a combination of speed and backspin.

But it,s probably better to learn with pips on easier blade and no -sponge.





Edited by mercuur - 04/19/2012 at 3:03pm

Modern Defender

The modern defender uses backspin as an attacking weapon, to set up his attacks. The typical modern defender uses a shakehand grip, and chops with heavy backspin on the backhand side. On the forehand side, this player will chop the ball when his opponent makes a strong attack, but will counterattack any weak topspins or loose pushes by his opponent.

Distance from the Table:

The distance from the table for this playing style will vary. When on the defensive or counterattacking, the player will be anywhere from 8 feet or more behind the table. When attacking from his own serve, the player will stay within 3-5 feet of the table unless forced away by a good counterattack from his opponent.

Typical Equipment:

The world class modern defender use inverted rubber on the forehand side, in around a 1.9mm thickness sponge, with speed glue. On the backhand, long pimples with thin sponge are typically used, although short pimples and antispin are seen occasionally. The blade is an offensive blade, although not as fast as those used by the loopers or hitters, since some extra control is needed when chopping. Lower level players use thinner sponge on the forehand (1.0 - 1.5mm) for better control.

chopchopslam wrote: pnachtwey wrote: ZingyDNA wrote: pnachtwey wrote: ZingyDNA wrote: No, what sponge has a higher speed after impact than before?  That would mean the sponge magically can generate energy and the coefficient of restitution is greater than 1. But the thing is, most modern sponges absorbs significantly less energy than rubber top sheets, and the bare wood on the racket face. So adding more sponge, even though it absorbs some energy,  some how results in more kinetic energy?  Where does this extra energy come from then? I don't buy it. Yes it is possible for some sponges to add speed. It's not a matter of adding energy, it happens because less energy is lost than in a bounce against a bare blade. I see, so keep adding sponge so less and less energy is lost until no energy is lost and we have a perpetual motion machine! Excellent!!! [quote]  A good springy sponge will lose a little energy as it dissipates laterally into the sponge, but most of the energy will be returned to the ball as it springs back.

pnachtwey wrote: ZingyDNA wrote: pnachtwey wrote: [QUOTE=ZingyDNA] No, what sponge has a higher speed after impact than before?  That would mean the sponge magically can generate energy and the coefficient of restitution is greater than 1. But the thing is, most modern sponges absorbs significantly less energy than rubber top sheets, and the bare wood on the racket face. So adding more sponge, even though it absorbs some energy,  some how results in more kinetic energy?  Where does this extra energy come from then? I don't buy it.

Edited by racquetsforsale - 04/19/2012 at 3:10am