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jackwong23 
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Agree, got to give this kid credit for beating Ma long. Ma long tried his best against this kid and was outplayed. In fact Ma long said after the game that he tried too hard during this game and this effected his mentality and performance. |
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koki hasn't been doing that great in latest tournaments....
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See, what kind of BS line was that he was fed to say? He was too nervous, too much pressure? Got too uptight and couldn't execute his shots? He plays the best players in the world all the time and performs better in tournaments like world cup, world championships, world team championships without flinching or crumbling or getting too uptight, etc. And pressure? He had a second chance! How many tournaments do you get a second chance to win? And he did very easily. That line seals it for me that it was fixed. |
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Eh, it's probably a combination of Koki Niwa playing well and Ma Long not being at his peak. This is sports, things like this happen. For those who follow American football, it's kinda like the Packers going undefeated all season then somehow manages to lose to the Chiefs.
Now, Koki Niwa's service and return game is SICK. In the junior championships vs. Lin Gaoyuan he confused the Chinese youngster so much that Lin was pushing back every single service regardless of spin. I've never seen that happen at that level of competition. Because of this, he stands a chance in every game he plays. As for Ma Long, it's ultimately a meaningless match. He's not gonna play in the singles, and China can't replace him in the teams. With his style of play, who knows if he'll get another crack when he's 28? He'll only get one shot at it even if he does. It must be disheartening for him to not get the opportunity when he's arguably the hardest worker on the team, all the while someone who doesn't even have the discipline to keep his weight down(Wang Hao) gets three cracks at it, and that's after failing to get gold in his first two tries. It must be pretty disheartening for him, it'll take some pretty serious mental fortitude not to give up on the dream altogether.
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jackwong23
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 12:14pm |
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There is A reason why Liu GL did not pick Ma long for the oplympics single, Ma long is weak mentally and can crack under the pressure of big tournament like the olympics. |
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jackwong23
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 12:20pm |
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The 2 main reasons why Ma long lost this match are: he got too uptight during the match and Koki played exceptionally well.
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 12:21pm |
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cancelling my order of PG7 and buying ZJK blade instead.
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You got it wrong. LGL didnt pick the team. The 2 players was automatically qualified as per world ranking then All LGL did was not change them as you can only changed by injury status etc. And I think it is stupid that you need to go into a qualification tournament to make the Teams event - especially as China's position at the top, surely some sort of automatic qualification too right? This qualification tournament should be people qualifing for singles event - not teams. Teams event can have a seperate qualifcation
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Koki Niwa is a very good player and a huge threat to the top players in the world. What a pity he is not allowed as a number 3 singles player for Japan. He is good enough to make the singles at Olympic games, but the oppurtunity was taken away by ITTF regarding Chinese dominents. I would be pissed if I was Koki... Even though he is 17 years old, but what if he won't have another chance for an Olympic game? Should ITTF apologise to Koki Niwa, his friends, familes and fans then?Sport and Politics must never co-exist!
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opinari
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This is it exactly. Koki Niwa is a pretty great player and the level of the top players are not that far apart. All it takes is one really bad day (or just half an hour) and a really great day for the other player. It's unlikely, not impossible. Sometimes, it seems our forum always jumps to conspiracy as the default explanation :)
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From your post, I can say, they are properly oversotck on ZJK blade, that is why they asked Ma Long to loose. You know, its all marketing  Jokes, I don't believe it was a fixed game, rather Ma Long was taking it so lightly. He only really needed to be in Top 7 to achieve his goal here.
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Haha ya, I know what you mean. But I want to add, its not half an hour. If Ma Long had gotten in those easy attacks, about 3 or 4 extra points at the critical stage. This would of been a 4 - 2 to Ma Long, or maybe into the 7th game. So yes, it is indeed a couple of minutes that can change everything. |
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what?? the best, the most dominant, the unbeatble, the god, the man who doesnt need to qualify to the OG and just be handed the gold medal actually lost a match? nooooooo way!! the match was fixed for sure, or maybe the video was altered!! or maybe...(insert all your ridiculous, silly and whining excuse here)
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 12:39pm |
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Ouch, what an attack..... Ridiculous, silly, whining.... I think you getting a bit too personal here now
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I just read that Koki Niwa win broke Ma Long winning streak (international matches) of 51 games
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 1:10pm |
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give me a break! many great players has lost to a player that is way beyond under:ma lin to liventsov, wang hao to mizutani when jun was 16, zhang to seo..and if koki beats again a top10 that s not fluke |
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 1:13pm |
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I bet my left kidney that bty will release an uber expensive koki niwa blade |
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I hope Koki and maharu can keep improving and put an end to china's domination of table tennis. They have the pontential to achieve this feat。we can't rely on kishikawa, Kenta and mitsutani to beat china in the next few world team championship, China have figured them out.
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As much as I support China, I fully agree with you here. I believe Japan (both mens and womens) can challenge China soon. Just hope more countries can come to this party.
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 3:45pm |
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I can't see the video posted in this thread .. . .. .
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Anybody can have an off day...even Ma Long. He reminds me of Lebron James.....clearly the best talent, but, somehow doesnt show up in the big moments for some strange reason.
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 4:07pm |
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Try IE, not Chrome. or Janus helped upload to youtube already.
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Poor Ma Long.. There's no winning situation for him in this qualifiers: if he wins, people say it's not a tournament that matters; if he loses, people mock him for losing to weak players.
I think the mocking people are just as bad as those making excuses. |
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But all Ma Long had to do was to qualify for the team event, which he did achieve his goal
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i don't think anyone is mocking ma long, just making note of koki's huge upset. also, when you're the best player in the world by a long shot, you're gonna get some flak for losing to koki niwa |
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ppl still talking about kenta
 ? That guy is old news, he wasn't even selected for the last team championship and was replaced by his brother Kenji. I don't think Kishikawa was ever considered a threat and Mizuntani simply lacks power and aggressiveness to ever threaten the chinese.Great win for Niwa, unlike Kenta, he actually got the win! So Niwa is a much better prospect than Kenta ever was, but the boy really needs to grow! But this was a meaningless tournament for Ma Long so really meh. not saying it was fixed, but this was a final that the Chinese wouldn't mind losing, even LGL has stated that the Chinese dominance is boring. Give the young upcoming Japanese player a win in a useless tournment, generates much more interest in the upcoming Olympic games Edited by TTNoobie - 04/21/2012 at 6:13pm |
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 6:01pm |
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What would happened, if Ma Long didnt't qualified. Did China had no 3rd player for the Team event and couldn't play in the team event?
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Posted: 04/21/2012 at 6:11pm |
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Yep, then China wouldn't be allowed to participate in the teams event. Which doesn't make sense as a singles qualification tournament determines participation in a teams tournament
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I dont see anyone mocking Ma Long, I see some people mocking his fans....lol. When you are number 1, the pressure is on you constantly. Especially when you havent won the "big" tournaments yet and expectations are so high. This was a very unexpected loss.....lets be realistic.....he lost to a non-Chinese.......that is a BIG upset...anyhow you want to look at it. Edited by naijachief - 04/21/2012 at 6:19pm |
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maybe ma long was too used to playing his chinese compatriots? Koki Niwa sure hit some shots aiming directly at the shoulder of ma long making his transition very difficult
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