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Andro Rasant - Photos+Weight+Review(soon) |
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viktorovich
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From this thread :
Speed : Rasant ~ T05. Spin : Rasant ~ T05. ? And throw/arc ... ? Thanks.
Edited by viktorovich - 05/09/2012 at 4:59pm |
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strongpong
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I've been using Rasant in 1.9mm on an Acoustic for a few weeks now. I bought 1.9mm after being advised that it a VERY fast rubber, but it lacks in top end compared to Tenergy 64/05 in 1.9mm, wish I got it in 2.1mm now.
No doubt it's a good rubber, excellent in some areas, just ok in others. The glue feel is probably the best I have felt so far in a factory tuned rubber. It behaves like speed glued rubbers in that if you have a good technique and can spin the ball well you get good sound from the rubber and high amounts of spin and speed. Flatten out your bat a bit and the speed is riduculous but no spin. This rubber requires solid technique on all strokes. Rasant, for me, excells in the middle gears. Pronounced glue feel and kick resulting in excellent ball acceleration and spin. Fantastic for attacking/opening shots. It is fairly lively in the short game, requires good touch here. However, blocking and counter looping have excellent control - Rasant doesn't react much to incoming spin, which is how it has been designed. Spin on slow loops in very high, good as Tenergy here, but the spin/speed ratio falls away a bit at higher speeds. Less top end speed speed than Tenergy, but more acceleration in middle gears. Like posted earlier, I am struggling to get high spin on serves, will keep experimenting in this area and see if it improves with technique changes. Ummmm, another tid bit of info, Hexer bites the ball better than Rasant and is spinnier in all areas IMO, rasant slightly faster. I still prefer Hexer, this week I will put the two rubbers on the same 7 ply blade blade. I expect rasant will kick even harder on a stiff 7 ply compared to 5 ply Acoustic. That's all for now, let's see how long the excellent factoy tuning lasts.
Edited by strongpong - 05/09/2012 at 8:03pm |
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igszoctan
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"...Ummmm, another tid bit of info, Hexer bites the ball better than Rasant
and is spinnier in all areas IMO, rasant slightly faster. I still prefer
Hexer..." - by Strongpong.
Which Hexer r u talking about? HD or any of them? |
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igszoctan
Fh: Rasant PowerGrip (2.1) Blades: Appelgren Allplay Bh: Rasant Powersponge(1.9) Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=66928&PID=807706 Strength and honour |
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bluebucket
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I hope so because the original Hexer isn't even close in grip to HD or Rasant...
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strongpong
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I am referring to the original Hexer......
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Fruit loop
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I think you'll find that spring sponge style rubbers really need the thicker sponge (minimum 2.1) to be really effective to spin the ball. So much so that a 1.9 tenergy doesn't actually feel like "tenergy"
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the_theologian
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won't take credit for finding this review... (bluebucket sent me the link)
Edited by the_theologian - 05/12/2012 at 2:45am |
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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mayuki24
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Seems like a magic rubber like tenergy but the price is soooo good
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zzz
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We'll see. So many rubbers were praised as alternative for Tenergy. Some found it, some not. But many people find that Tenergy is still the reference rubber (except for price). If say in one year (when most enthusiasm is gone) as many players playing with Rasant as with Tenergy than it seems a magic rubber. But in one year the next generation of ESN rubbers is released and the praising begins again. |
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haggisv
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My thoughts exactly Of course we all hope that's wrong |
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JimT
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Does anyone in the US have a cutoff pieces from their Rasant? Send them to me, my friend will run a durometer to see the hardness data (topsheet/sponge) for this rubber. MAX thickness is preferable.
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LGL_fan
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So the throw is just a little bit lower than T05 but still high?
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the_theologian
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(embedded the video above so you can watch an 18 minute review)
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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haggisv
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I had a bit of a hit with it as well today, and I agree very much with
strongpong's view. It's a nice rubber with a strong glue feel. Spin on
slower to medium paced loops is very high, but it takes a lot more
effort to get good spin on serves.
When you loop hard it comes off really fast, but there's a lot less spin, so I don't think it suits powerloopers. It's remarkably easy to block with, it's really quite insensitive to spin. I don't think it's a good Tenergy alternative, and in all fairness they never claimed it would be. It's a good rubber in it's own right... I think those that like Hexer HD but want more speed to put the ball away will like it. |
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manyaku88
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http://ttnpp.com/shop/andro-rasant-p-569.html
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Blade: Bty BalsaCarbo X5 FL
FH Bty Tenergy 05 2.1 BH: Palio Aeolus 45* 2.2 |
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debraj
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that makes it Tenzone SF !!
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Reiin
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I got the Rasant today. Have put on my Violin and will test it on my forbehand tonight. Will do a quick rewiev after that!
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Timo Boll ALC ST FH: T05 2.1 BH: T25 2.1 Feedback: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=46026&KW=feedback+reiin&PID=571496&title=feedback-reiin#571496 |
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4ugustu
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any update?
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yogi_bear
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yes i agree with that. Andro Hexer HD and Tenzone are identical rubbers in many ways except Tenzone has a thicker max in 2.2mm and is faster
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seguso
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I tried fh looping with rasant and I noticed the low throw (compared to vega pro) and the long trajectory. it felt like a calibra. But some reliable players told me it is a great bh rubber for pushblockers. especially the push is spinny.
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Nagatito
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The throw is much higher than T64 FX and H3 neo commercial (normal sponge)
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Blade: Timo Boll ALC
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mikepong
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so its a high throw rubber then? i find h3 neo to be a high throw rubber, no matter what version it is, commercial, provincial or national
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Viscaria
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bluebucket
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Yes Rasant is very high throw
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Nagatito
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So its higher than H3 neo because i like hight throw in backhand because suits more my technique
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Blade: Timo Boll ALC
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cotdt
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Wow, this rubber does seem built like a T05 clone. The design is very similar. The Rasant's pores are even bigger.
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cotdt
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Rasant weighs 0.246 g/cm^2 which makes it slightly heavier than T05. It seems to play very similar to T05 except for blocking and touch shots. Even then, not so different. Really similar! Wow!
Rasant's topsheet is tackier than HexerHD's topsheet, but still not tacky. It is a very mild tack similar to a fresh sheet of T05. HexerHD's topsheet is thicker and completely nontacky. Does not even collect dust. Rasant's topsheet collects dust quickly and easily. |
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seguso
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I don't know what you are comparing it to, but I tried looping with bluefire M1 on a viscaria with Rasant on the other side. M1 has sharp arc and high throw, and resembles t05 (or vega pro), while rasant seemed to me a totally different rubber. |
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the_theologian
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Some pictures of the sheet I opened today (got it from ttnpp) Edited by the_theologian - 06/01/2012 at 11:12pm |
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cotdt
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Anyone else thinks that Rasant feels harder than T05? Mine feels harder when pressing down with the finger, and also feels harder when playing. The dwell is less. Throw is slightly lower but still high. It's more comparable to T25 IMHO.
Edited by cotdt - 06/03/2012 at 2:43am |
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Nittaku Resound
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bluebucket
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Since you use T64 how do you compare it to T64? It's bouncier and faster than T05 imho
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