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bogeyhunter 
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Special for pips players. A Blocker(Seemiller style) vs A Chopper
Info : Both used long pips. What's the guy in yellow shirt's rating? For those who know him, take a guess what was FH rubber I used in these 2 videos. Info : Used Vega Asia for 4 years and switched to Omega IV Asia 2 weeks ago and just changed again tonight. What was it?
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Posted: 01/14/2014 at 1:21am |
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About 2100 to 2150 range based off of the videos.
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I think it is difficult to judge the rating of a blocker against a chopper; my guess would be 2000+/-50.
Regarding the forehand rubber, you make quite a few mistakes where you hit the ball long so the rubber is either quite a bit faster than what you are used to or the throw is higher. Maybe T05...?
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Posted: 01/14/2014 at 5:32pm |
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So bogeyhunter, are you going to give us the answers or not?
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that is as chopper as liu song is... are you liu song's student??
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yellow is 1600 and I don't care if I never see him play again.
red has nice FH tho, prolly over 2000
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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Get a USATT Magazine. Find the coaching section. This guy writes the "Junk Yard" one.
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You will not want to see him in tournament. You will be lucky to get 10 pts total.
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Just checked, the dude is >2180. WOW!
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I would have estimated much lower. He hit too many balls right to bogey's sweet spot. I would expect a 2100 level blocker to block better too.
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if i am gona play a 2180 in tournament i would rather play him than anybody on USATT. We have 2100 in the club where i can't do nothing because they loop everything. With this guy i get to attack as much as I want on every point. If he is 2180 he will end up winning but its up to me, if I land my shot he is out of luck.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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You're not alone in the mindset because it gives you the impression that you have a good chance. When you play someone that just dominates you with far superior offense you feel helpless. When you play someone like this guy you feel if you don't make mistakes you should be able to beat him. But often that's exactly what these players want. They want to let you make the mistakes. Some are forced and others are not. But the pressure is on you to earn the points - they're not going to give them away. For some people the problem is compounded when you get angry that you are missing because you think you should beat the guy.
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assiduous, I would also doubt that your loop is of the same quality than bogeyhunter's who is 2300.
It seemed to me that he could not block bogey's loop when they were placed in the corners as he was not moving or anticipating well enough but when looped in his reach he blocked quite well. I will watch the videos again during lunch...ohhh just 5 more minutes.
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you nailed it, this is exactly how I feel vs high level loopers and vs this kind of guy. And I do get angry too. And still, if I have to pick 10 times a 2188 opponent I will pick this dude every time. I don't see myself doing anything at all vs a looper that level.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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actually it is of similar quality but much less reliable. At lest in my head it it : ). I try to convert all my power into speed, and just enough spin to bend the path around the net.
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puppy412 : Sorry man, I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but I know that more training will make me better, I don't need to come here to figure that out
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He was over 2300 ten years ago. I'm about a 1600 level player. I played against him in a tournament recently and I got more than 10 points total.
 Maybe he was taking it easy on me. Edited by GMan4911 - 01/15/2014 at 2:34pm |
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So, I watched the videos again and I can now see why his rating is that high. He does not make many easy mistakes (you have to win the point!), returns serves well and has very good ball placement with good variations. He did actually show some outstanding blocks (examples 1st video at 1:50, 2nd video at 2:55) but at the end was overpowered by bogeyhunter's 2300 looping. If he could move a little better...
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I think the quality of serve receive and also, to some extent, reveals the true rating range in this case.
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Hey bogeyhunter, you still did not reveal the answer to your FH ruber question.
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Then I guess you never played good blockers/choppers. I have played many, the best is Chen Weixing, and it's how I put it ......... its up to him, if he keeps landing his shot I'm out of luck. I'm amazed how many players always think about looping. Looping is important but there are many ways to gain advantage/win. I think I can beat U2000 without a single loop.
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No, not possible - I think you can make him beat himself/herself! Oh wait yes you can - blocks and hits - I was thinking you were only going to chop!
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The things is, the shots and spins look so minimal on videos. I too would have said he was about 2100 or so, but then again, he is playing against a very solid 2300 player. And, thirty or so pounds ago, I have no doubt that he was a very elite competitor. His stroke placement does seem a bit week for a player of his caliber, but we all have those kind of days. Overall, none of us can really make valid comments about his level of play without seeing more. But, for one, I would love to have his rating.
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Had a fun chat with PingPongHolic10 and he likes to take "beating U2000 without a single offensive shot" challenge.
I found some videos of me playing with none to little offensive shots. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PibE6qP9qJA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5BxbxYKzkk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DA7Xkveh9ig http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3XkJswavYk And the rubber is .... Vega Asia :)
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I wouldn't be surprised. I had matches when I landed maybe one loop entire match - just pushed, blocked and served well. Beat some good 1800-1900 players that way. And I am not even a chopper with LPs, so I have no doubt that bogey's level LP chopper can win a match like that without straining much. |
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Bogey was mixing it up the more it went and that dude in orange was surely a little pissed when his reliable fast loop FH started to go long.
As much as an offensive juggernaut wannabe I aspire to become, I find I can get a decent amount of points from playing a little D or mixing it up, instead of ripping at everything. Bogey taught me that a point sequence that results in my point is a point I earned, regardless of whether it was from an ugly opponent's error or a sexy FH rip... they all count as one point added to my score equally.
The few times I have seen JimT hit live, he doesn't rely on a powerful FH topspin to win every point of gain control of them. He just keeps it on the table and applies PRESSURE with BH or FH, sometimes going for a finish, often, just staying in the point applying pressure until opponent folds like dinner napkin.
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After losing terribly to the Junk Yard earlier this month, Shay2Be beat him in 5 (11-8) sets yesterday, winning game 2 with a 32-30 scoreline!
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OMG 32-30? Wow!!! My record is only 23-21.
Wait, did they know the game is now played to 11? :)
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