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vutiendat1337 
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 Topic: Fake Petr Korbel FLPosted: 03/08/2014 at 1:40am |
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Hi,
I recently ordered a Korbel from aliexpress. Priced at $25 incl. shipping there should be no doubt it is fake and was fully aware of that. I actually was kind of curious how the fake looks like. However, I was actually impressed with how "authentic" it looks. For untrained eyes and non-EJs, it could pass as a legit butterfly product. So be careful with what you buy. The first thing that I noticed was the finishing. It was fairly rough and the type you would expect from Stiga. The wings definitely need same sand job. Second thing, the "brown" color has a lighter shade and the wood quality was quite off. It is quite apparent that the top veneer was much less "grainy" if you will. I, admit, I can't say if the plies are the same as the original. I haven't played with it, yet and I don't even think I could judge how well it plays compared to the original. I am not that big of a EJ. But anyway, see by yourself.        Edited by vutiendat1337 - 03/08/2014 at 1:48am |
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liulin04
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 2:10am |
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the brown color handle is a dead give away
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vutiendat1337
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yea, it is quite obvious for people that know what to look for. But I doubt a beginner or someone unfamiliar with Korbel would have guessed. It's kinda a well-made fake to be honest
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liulin04
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 2:33am |
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I agree, for beginners, this blade would be hard to spot. Typical areas to spot for fake Butterfly are:
1. handle color variations. Authentic - light. Counterfeit - Darker color 2. shoulders. Authentic - shoulders are just "right". Counterfeit - shoulders a lot narrow when it meets the handle. 3. Finishing. Authentic - smooth. Counterfeit - rough, especially around the handle 4. Plies. Authentic - plies are clearly shown. Counterfeit - plies are all jumbled up. 5. Serial #on box. Authentic - w/ serial. Counterfeit - w/o serial 6. JTTAA letterings. Authentic - black and stands out from the plies in the background. Counterfeit - lettering slightly faded, colors of the letters are the same as the ply colors. 7. Weight. Authentic - usually fall between the average weight. Counterfeit - most if not all counterfeits are significantly heavier by at least 10 grams on average 8. Bounce test - grab a real one and compare the bounce, frequency, and feel of the purchased one. Perhaps we should get the mod to put this guideline up to help the rest of the buyers/sellers. |
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bluebucket
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 4:19am |
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It doesn't look much like a real Korbel really, I don't think the wings on a Korbel look like that. It doesn't even seem to have a limba second ply (looks like Koto) hard to tell from the blury picture. I doubt the middle ply is Ayous either, likely Kiri so it probably plays like the typical $10 Chinese blade. In fact I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest it's a Yinhe 896 and came out of the yinhe factory
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ansonlau3
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 7:21am |
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personally, you should not go to buy any equipment from Ali.. Many China store are selling fake items. They can make the items which is very very similar. China copy skills are very good. ;)
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Timo1978
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 7:54am |
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Yes, they can copy (good) but the buyer already knew it is a fake when he bought it and did not expect a legit Korbel |
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 8:05am |
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To me looks better than the original Korbel - brown color is just perfect, and probably plays much better than the 75g European korbels.
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bluebucket
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 9:11am |
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One of the great unexplained mysteries of the world.
How do Butterfly build two "identical blades" one in Europe at 75grams and the same blade in Japan between 93 and 100 grams |
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 9:12am |
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Euro Korbels are usually quite heavier than japanese
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 9:16am |
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Schizophrenic split?
Out of curiosity, which blade does Korbel play with? |
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 10:21am |
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I think you got that backwards. |
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tiehwen
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 11:40am |
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the plies of the handle and neck area or wings are usually couple of the clues telling me that this blade is not genuine.
Euro's Korbel doesn't have that "Made in Japan" label on the lens insert. We all should do our best to avoid these "Fakes" or counterfeits circulating around within our mytabletennis community. |
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vutiendat1337
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Posted: 03/08/2014 at 2:30pm |
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aaw man, that's a bummer. i was hoping it to be an exact clone so it would be at least worth to put good rubbers on it. but if it doesn't play like a korbel at all, i just wasted $25 bucks!! lmao
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bluebucket
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 1:01am |
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Well you have a real one, rubber it up and you tell us
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jt99sf
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 11:34am |
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Ok, good to know. Now I have a source for two Korbels. Thanks !! 
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the_theologian
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 11:41am |
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 sold the euro one but still have the other
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tiehwen
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 12:57pm |
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the handle of Euro PKorbel looks better than the OP's faked one....
 Also look @ the neck/wings area. The difference is so obvious. Edited by tiehwen - 03/09/2014 at 1:05pm |
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tiehwen
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 1:15pm |
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Spot the huge differences in appearance?
  Edited by tiehwen - 03/09/2014 at 1:28pm |
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ChichoFicho
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 1:22pm |
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The real question is whether the fake plays better than the real.
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hey, wanna trade ?
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tiehwen
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 1:27pm |
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lol...
Seasoned for years, Used for coaching tons of kids, beat up, mucked up & chewed up Euro PK ST yet it has Fish-scaled top ply & it should fetch you, John, GOOD $$$$$....  |
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The people who manufacture fakes and sell them for profit are criminals and should be prosecuted accordingly! Any table tennis shop that sells those fakes and knows they are fakes should be prosecuted.
There is no defense. It's a scam to all honest people around the world. There is NO defense!! All sources need to be identified and reported here to help members make a secure purchase. These manufacturers of these fake blades need to be put out of business ASAP if possible. Economic vampires and thugs that make me mad as hell. If there is any doubt as to authenticity...Don't Buy It! 
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@frogger...
wow..pretty tough talk there as I thought I was 1 of the few who really resent these Fakes manufacturers very much. Similarly we should also condemn those used equipment Resellers who knowingly mislead others and resell their fakes/counterfeits to others here or anywhere for profit. One classic line they use regularly is this..... "This or that is Fake or Counterfeit so you guys know, if/but you or anyone want(s) it I can sell it for 50 USD shipped...." Just like they know it is WRONG to steal BUT someone else has done it & got away with it, so they can do it too..." Their morality value/level is NONE as far as I'm concerned. Edited by tiehwen - 03/09/2014 at 4:29pm |
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If it is a known fake and the dealer advertises it as being a fake at a much lower cost I have no problem with that.
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tiehwen
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 4:59pm |
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then you're opening a can of worms & encourage selling, dealing with resellers/scammers who might have stockpile of fakes & counterfeits. It won't be long before this place, mytabletennis.net, will be bloating with knock-offs, fakes & what-have-you...
Might as well save you precious time & you should go right onto taobao or aliexpress right freaking now... why wait? Edited by tiehwen - 03/09/2014 at 5:02pm |
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Posted: 03/09/2014 at 5:15pm |
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I, for one, was just curious how well the fake is made. And maybe even considered having it as a backup if it was close to the original one. I knew it was fake and I bought out of curiosity. And even if I go ahead and resell it, it's not with the intention of scam anyone or make some dough. Manufacturers like Yinhe, HRT and Sword make clones of DHS, Stiga and Butterfly all the time. I do agree that selling a fake/counterfeit and claiming it is a real deal is wrong and not tolerable. But reselling obvious fakes, with clear info about it beforehand, to other interested parties who just want to try it out is not a sin, though.
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I had european 76gr FL corbel. It played pretty well. After it broke, I couldn't find new one to buy again, so I buy chinese copy from ali, same like one in topic. It looks like kids from elementary school made it :) Even has title 'Primorac carTon' (with T) instead of 'Petr Korbel'. Many differences to original one, head shape, handle shape, blade length, neck shape, width... plays very bad, not close to real one. I tried to twist it little bit around axis to check flex, and heard cracking noises :)
Wasting money and time, not worth even 3$, delivery is very slow also.
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I remembered the 90 gram blade I was thinking of was a Primorac (OFF-).
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