Donic Bluefire M1 Turbo and JP01 Turbo

AndySmith wrote: jonyer1980 wrote: I don´t think Donic need to copy any Tenergy, their products have reached a great level of quality&price as well as nice durability. Albeit it´s a must to develop any formula to lower the weight of their rubber, sinces a single sheet over 45ºrubbers is even heavier than chinese rubbers. Donic (and ESN generally) have gone in a different direction to Tenergy in recent years, rather than attempting to copy it. And in my real world, I prefer ESN these days. Tenergy is far more specialised, and if you use it then excellent - it's not a bad rubber. But it has its quirks. I find recent ESN rubbers to be powerful and spinny enough, while being more all round achievers. Great short control, good balance between loop and hit. They are just more effective for me at my highly average level. In the past I would have used Tenergy over ESN, but the products have changed quite radically since the days of Desto and PME. If only they were lighter...

AndySmith wrote: My JP-01 Turbo - Black - 2.0mm was 170mm x 170mm, and weighed 71g uncut. carmelomaf - if you're still watching the thread, any chance you could fix the spelling mistake in the thread title? Will throw off any searches people are doing for Bluefire.

Awesome, thank you!

PS Spelling mistake fixed

so ... selling it?

Any updates on JP01T vs JP01?

I tried JP01 briefly for the 1st time today. Very impressed. Before I place a Donic order (bye bye BTY due to your effective price hike), I'm interested in knowing if JP01T is an improvement or a completely different feel rubber (for example, many say that while M1 is faster, has more spin and had larger pores than JP01, it has worse control & feels harder. Is JP01T more similar to M1 than to JP01?) thanks in advance.

debraj wrote:   +1 would love to know .... :) slevin are you using it on BH or FH?

slevin wrote: debraj wrote:   +1 would love to know .... :) slevin are you using it on BH or FH? I'm not yet - I tried a friend's paddle (JP01 on the TB-ZLF) and it felt great. I tried it on FH but at that time, felt that it could be a great BH rubber as well. Now I don't know whether to buy JP01 max / JP01 2.0 combo or a JP01T max / JP01 2.0. Either ways, I'm trying to say Sayonara to BTY. Beware: to me, it felt a bit softer than T05 (topsheet, not sponge). I liked the feel. Apparently, a knock on JP01 (relative to M1, MX-P) is that it isn't all that powerful from mid-range (about as good as T05). This isn't a concern to me given that I have a fast blade (SZLC).

Edited by NextLevel - 04/28/2014 at 11:31pm

NextLevel wrote: You seem to have mild obsession with speed.  Not sure why.

slevin wrote: AndySmith wrote: The throw is surprisingly lower than you'd expect for this kind of rubber. Thanks again for your reviews AndySmith - you've answered our requests / questions multiple times  Is this where the 'Turbo' moniker comes from? From what I remember, S1 Turbo had lower throw than S1 as well. So, (before I send the PM to Tibike): the feel / softness of JP01T is very similar to that of the JP01?

I have to admit, JP01T has surprised me a fair bit. I like JP01 a lot, but wouldn't have minded a slightly faster version. JP01T isn't that at all - it's about the same speed, overall. I wasn't expecting the throw to be as it is either.

Anyway, enough rambling. The softness is about the same (med-hard sponge, soft topsheet). The feel is slightly different. JP01T seems (even) less reactive to spin than JP01 at low speeds, and it feels more disconnected from events. More secure for hitting, blocking, short game, but weaker for slow spin-ups.

The more I think about it (and type stuff in here), the more I think that it could be an excellent BH rubber. I really need to get that JP01/JP01T setup sorted out...

Yesterday I had the chance to try B M1 Turbo (fh max) on a Baum Espirit blade (setup borrowed from a club mate). Huge grip, sudden dip, low throw but the ball cleared the net and great spin were obvious at once even at weaker impacts.  I must tell you Donic really created something revolutionary again that makes me wanna o o o o oo...
Anyway, the hardness of the topsheet and sponge, pimple structure of M1T seemed quite similar to those of Tenzone Ultra during a short closer look.
I was just wondering if M1T did its job fine in 1.8mm, would it? I presume thickness reduction resolves the difficulties connected to head-heavy setup and it amiliorates control, doesn't it? Agree?
Could you share your thougths about major differences between JP1T and M1T in a greater detail, please?


Edited by igszoctan - 05/07/2014 at 2:28am

I have had a hit with both the JP01T and M1T. I prefer M1 of the two.It it more grippy than JP01T which which indeed feels soft for a hard rubber. I think the main step forward compared to their predecessors is that their topsheet is more capable of generating spin therefore it lends a little softer feel to the rubber and you do not have to work as hard at lower speeds. Still, I find the JP01T  less spinny on loops . 

In my opinion, Donic has marketed a rubber in the person of M1T that stands out a little from the ESN crowd. I would put it in the group where I put the Tibhar Evolution series. Compared to MX-P, it feels a little softer and the throw is not as high. Alas, Donic has not marketed an alternative to EL-P and FX-P so Tibhar is still in the lead.

My teammate gave me his allround OSP blade (I do not recall the name) which had the plain JP01 (it was tuned) and M1T (untuned), both in max. JP01 is a lot harder and his opinion is that M1T is way better. It is more reliable on loops, the ball falls on the table from higher than you would expect.  The old JP01 was still faster owing to the tuner but I figure they are about the same when in the original state.

As I was unhappy with the JP01T, I drenched it with with some nice magic potion cooked up by Falco. I did not mess around with the brush, I poured a copious amount on it

AndySmith wrote: Had another hour with JP-01T last night. It still has great grip from the topsheet, reasonable speed. But the throw...it's just not a rubber for my FH. I need a higher throw. There's something about this rubber - the grip is strong, spin is high, but it takes a lot of effort to get good arc. It makes playing from distance, and lifting backspin, harder than most recent rubbers for me. It worked better on my BH side, but I prefer softer sponges on that wing, so it's probably for the chop. I compared it directly to Omega V Pro last night, and the O5P was just effortless in comparison on the FH side.

You probably need a harder topsheet. I tried Jp01 (not turbo), and the throw was much lower than m1, due to the soft topsheet. What's worse, the harder I would hit, the lower it was (the exact opposite of m1 in this regard). I now find M1 has even higher throw than t05 (which I finally tested accurately; I find it at most an intermediate rubber, with much less potential than m1. In particular, T05 is poor against backspin, where you need to brush loop balls that you would be able to power loop with m1).


Edited by seguso - 05/13/2014 at 4:44am

the jp rubbers are all backhand rubbers, due to the soft topsheet. The jp01-T in particular is probably made for the bh of heavy pushers and blockers, not loopers (if turbo means even softer topsheet and harder sponge).

AndySmith wrote: seguso wrote: the jp rubbers are all backhand rubbers, due to the soft topsheet. I don't think a soft topsheet automatically means BH rubber, but I can't argue with you about JP01T for my game - BH rubber or nothing. Everyone has different needs, obviously, and some players like soft topsheet/hard sponge on their FH side.

Amen. Few things irritate me as much as the BH rubber distinction.

mhnh007 wrote: NextLevel wrote: AndySmith wrote: seguso wrote: the jp rubbers are all backhand rubbers, due to the soft topsheet. I don't think a soft topsheet automatically means BH rubber, but I can't argue with you about JP01T for my game - BH rubber or nothing. Everyone has different needs, obviously, and some players like soft topsheet/hard sponge on their FH side. Amen. Few things irritate me as much as the BH rubber distinction. What about the fh rubber distinction?

They are thesame distinction. Everyone has preferences, but it is irritating to hear that this rubber is this or that.

NextLevel wrote: mhnh007 wrote: NextLevel wrote: AndySmith wrote: seguso wrote: the jp rubbers are all backhand rubbers, due to the soft topsheet. I don't think a soft topsheet automatically means BH rubber, but I can't argue with you about JP01T for my game - BH rubber or nothing. Everyone has different needs, obviously, and some players like soft topsheet/hard sponge on their FH side. Amen. Few things irritate me as much as the BH rubber distinction. What about the fh rubber distinction?  They are thesame distinction. Everyone has preferences, but it is irritating to hear that this rubber is this or that.