Butterfly Feint AG???

Hi there!

sword scylla might be a good alternative for much cheaper price. it's a good attacking pip as i heard.

I have not used it, so no comment on it.

But i did play someone with Feint AG(i think it is 1.7) on a nexy spartacus, the pips give me quite a bit of trouble. The trajectory path was different compared to some other long pips I have played. He could "top spin" with that rubber, the pips shoot off the ball really fast. Your service return could go long sometimes tho since the sponge is so thick...

no comment since i have not played with FL 2 players before. sorry

Feint AG 1.7 mm will react more to the incoming spin than Feint II OX will.  If you want a little more speed with the Feint II why not try a sponge under the Feint II.  1.0 mm would be a good place to start, a little more dwell time, without getting too mushy like with the 1.7 mm under the already soft AG long pips.  Then you could go thicker if you still think it is too slow.  Once you put the sponge under the pips it will feel and play differently.  If someone around you plays with sponge under their pips I would suggest you try it out even if it is a different pip.

My practice partner (1900 - 2000) played with AG in 1.3 and it was hard to play against. One thing it was very good at was fast slight-topspin serves. He would give me that fast long serve with it and I would always loop it in the bottom of the net. I doubt it would be very weird in 1.7, and if you're considering giving it a try on your BH then I'd try it in 1.3.

Are there any advantages of attacking with long pips?

Feint AG won't give you too much wobble shots, but the control for hitting is excellent. If you want faster rally with lesser wobble effect, Feint AG is perfect for you.

However if you going from Feint long 2 OX to feint AG, that is a very huge change. It'll take a while before you get used to it. OX and sponge different in weight A LOT. You might have a difficult time getting used to new weight of rubber. It might change the feel of the racket as well. You rather stick with OX style with different rubber instead.

When Deng Yaping leave her racket at one of the TT Museum when she retired, the back of the racket is a friendship 755. Ai fukuhara used Feint Long VERY long time ago. She switch to Armstrong attack 8 after and have been using it ever since.

I mainly use my my BH now to push/block, and the spin reversal gives most people troubles, but if they get the hang of it they topspin it consistently and than my only chance mostly to wait out if they make an error, or get too tired (lot of times they do haha), but my poblem is that I get lot of balls wich could be attacked easily from backhand and it's really freakin hard with the feint 2 ox and also have to hit loose balls really hard too. That's why I thought of the Feint AG 1,7mm, so I can attack too, and probably my push/block would go back lot faster and they wouldn't have that much time to do another good topspin, probably I wouldn't have as much spin reversal with this rubber.

Feint long 2 OX is not the best ideal for attacking in my opinion. It's design for more spin oriented long pip. You can generate quite a lot of spin with it comparing to other long pip. If you want to stick with Butterfly, Feint soft/OX and Feint AG is better choice. But stay away from thick long pip. It's really difficult to control when they are too thick.

Long pip attack>
receiving a back spin serve is pretty easy as you just hit it back and the ball will have a bit of top spin.

For hitting, technically you can hit through any shot if you have the most precise judgement and assuming ball is high enough to get over. Balls will be flat and direct line. however, the faster the hit is, the less spin variation your opponent will get. Long pip will nullified the opponent's spin if hit really hard and fast.

For variation, the soft hitting is the magic. Take a look at the Ai Fukuhara style, despite of she is using the medium pip, her style is how the long pip variation style will do. A bit of soft hit variation and super hard hitting when chance presents.

If you search Deng Yaping's on youtube, you'll see the very consistent hitting game with long pip.

It all depends what would you preferred to do, you want variation or fast hitting rally game?
Like I said, look at the pip hitter examples and decide for yourself.


Edited by a23096713 - 09/16/2014 at 1:02pm

Actually the Raystorm seems the closest to the Armstrong Attack 8

I feel I'm missing out a lot of pint that could be won with backhand. attacking I would gess would be easier with SP than with LP. I would want to be able to hit through not rely really on spin that much.

Still from pictures the Armstrong Attack 8 looks much closer to Butterflys short pips.

He suggested pips on BH, for blocking and pushing, but now I feel I want to be more on the offensive side, that's why I thought of the Feint AG, or even switching to short pips like Raystorm or Flarestorm 2

I'm considering giving the Feint AG a try, unsure to get 1,3mm or 1,7mm