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spinnyserve
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schen
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They drying time varies depending on your area's climate. FTL I guess is a little different in that the doming occurs some time after the booster has dried, and when it does dome it is significant. leave the rubber until it is completely dry with 3 layers then try gluing it. A little hack if you have an abundance of WBG is if you need to reduce the dome or shortcut the drying process, apply a few layers of WBG over the sponge (booster can still be slightly wet if you want) and remove it once the glue has dried, then your sponge should be dry and the dome will recess a little bit. You can repeat this as many times as you need to control the amount of dome and to shorten drying time if you're really impatient, but the best is still to wait for the booster to dry completely.
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qualizon
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for FTL, I'd recommend just do 3 layers, one layer per day. and glue the rubber on the fourth day.
FTL is thick and you want to re-apply when the previous layer is not dry yet.
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Argothman
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Hey Schen, after just 3 layers, the first being thin, my rubber is in a tube with about 2/3 inch overlap. Is this normal? Two more layers are going to dome it to hell and back... Heck, I can't even get it flat enough to put the fourth layer on.
Also, the booster dries pretty slowly, I left the first thin layer for 30m, the second I had to leave for ~4 hours, and the third I left overnight. Even then, there's still thin pools of booster in patches on the sponge. Is that at all normal? I'll have to leave the fourth and fifth layers for at least a day to dry properly. Edited by Argothman - 01/15/2015 at 1:13pm |
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chop4ever
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I have my blade for almost 10 years using booster. All the print have gone out due to thousands times taking off and cleaning glue. However, there is no sign of any damage caused by oily booster on wood. I can't compare boosted and unboosted Chinese hard rubbers together. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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spinnyserve
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will these booster damage the wood on the blade? And in your experience, boosted commercial h3 neo behaves better than unboosted provincial neo h3?
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schen
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FTL and Seamoon take a bit longer to dry because they are thick. Thinner boosters like Dianchi and Kailin dry faster
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Argothman
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FTL?
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schen
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February 2014
And yes depending on the booster |
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Argothman
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What date is ADXB?
Also, can a layer really properly dry after just 30m? Edited by Argothman - 01/14/2015 at 2:19pm |
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pnachtwey
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I don't understand this boosting craze. Paraffin oil is very light and will evaporate quickly. So will its effects. Heavier oils will not evaporate but if they don't I can assure you that the oil will not compress and be as springy as the air in the air pockets of the sponge.
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schen
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I haven't felt this problem... But then again I retune around the 2 week mark anyway so maybe it's just a symptom of the rubber losing its boost?
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JacekGM
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Do not boost.
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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pnachtwey
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I just speed glued my H3 Neo on my Samsonov Alpha. I use the Dawei blue devil speed glue from colestt.com. I applied 3 thick coats. The first coat made the sponge contract so the rubber was curled. The other two coats didn't do much. I will see how it goes tonight.
I played with the speed glued H3 Neo tonight. I wasn't impressed with the difference. I don't think Dawei Speed Glue is as good as the tire repair glue. Edited by pnachtwey - 01/13/2015 at 11:49pm |
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aroonkl
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When you tune that much, over 2-3 weeks time don't you feel the oil seep to surface of sheets. When I tune 3 coats and a month later 2-3 coats. After 2-3 weeks I feel the top sheet is little oily and lost some grips. |
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schen
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I use the 500mL bottle but dilute it with about a tablespoon of water.
And the ridges are just a cosmetic inconsistency of the DHS sponges. I read somewhere on taobao that the sponges with the ridges were cut from an older machine, but does not affect performance in any way.
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dannyreventon
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Also, related to the topic. I found out the the sponge of my hurricane 3 (not sure if it was neo/ or the regular one) rubbers has those ridges on the sponge. Does that mean my h3 is the regular version?
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Timo Boll Spirit FH: Neo H3 Prov 39deg BH: Xiom Musa Stiga Clipper Wood FH: Neo Skyline 3 BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST Avenger 5 FH: Neo H3 Bh: Xiom Musa |
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Nice! We also use the same glue! :) Mine's in 98ml though. What's yours? :)
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Main Setup:
Timo Boll Spirit FH: Neo H3 Prov 39deg BH: Xiom Musa Stiga Clipper Wood FH: Neo Skyline 3 BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST Avenger 5 FH: Neo H3 Bh: Xiom Musa |
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schen
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I prefer the dhs #15 glue - it has a strong bond without damaging the blade and comes off easily and most importantly it is THIN! Too thick of glue will jeopardize how thick you can safely boost the sponge before going over the legal limit!
Boosting over the glue gives a very soft feel for me to the point where i lose my touch and prolongs the drying time before you can stick it. I also notice a large drop in power/kick when boosting over glue, as well as a tendency for my racket covering to fail the thickness test because of the saturated glue layer. The amount of layers i boost with corresponds to how far i can push the rubber before it becomes illegally thick. |
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Believer
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I think that by putting a layer of glue between boost will slow down the attack of the boost to the sponge and rubber. It serves as a damper. This is why some Chinese rubber will come with a layer of glue so that you can apply the boost on top right away. But frankly, I prefer to boost directly on the sponge as well because I like that extra kick effects. It may shorten the rubber in the end though...
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Argothman
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What's the difference between boosting over glue and boosting right into the sponge in terms of how it plays? The reason I ask is because in another thread someone said that chinese players like to put a glue layer between each boost, supposedly it helps the boost sink in slower to prevent problems.
Also, what's the best combination, 5 layers on 2.2 sponge, 6 layers on 2.15, or 7 layers on 2.1? Or does it not matter all that much. |
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qualizon
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which glue do you use? I used to use wbg from dianchi, and it holds up curl rubber well on the blade.
but since i finished the whole bottle of wbg from dianchi, I've tried revolution 3 wbg and also tear mender. Out of the three, revolution 3 is the weakest and almost useless on holding the curled rubber. Glue strength: dianchi wbg > tear mender >revolution 3 wbg
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schen
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I boost directly to the sponge, never over glue. I don't like the feeling, but some people do, so I figure it's optional.
I usually wait around 20-30 minutes after the first layer, 45-60 minutes after the second, hour and a half for the third, maybe 2-3 hours for the fourth, and overnight on the final layer. I also noticed moving from NY to CA that the drying time in CA seems to take longer, maybe because of higher humidity because winter doesn't exist here And no I don't wait for the rubber to uncurl, I glue it while domed for the juiciest effect!
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qualizon
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schen: do you wait until the rubber to undome/uncurl before you glue the rubber on the blade? How long does the whole boosting process take in your case (5 layers of kailin)?
I have a bottle of kailin on order and I'm planning to do the same. I only have experience with dianchi and falco long.
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Argothman
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I assume you don't put a layer of glue before each boost layer schen, that would get pretty thick with 5 layers.
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dannyreventon
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How long do you wait between each application of layers?
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Main Setup:
Timo Boll Spirit FH: Neo H3 Prov 39deg BH: Xiom Musa Stiga Clipper Wood FH: Neo Skyline 3 BH: Stiga Neos Sound ST Avenger 5 FH: Neo H3 Bh: Xiom Musa |
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schen
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I would avoid putting anything on the topsheet, that is a quick way to kill the rubber even if you get a tiny bit of performance gain for a short while.
It could be that 41deg hurricane becomes difficult to use properly once it loses its tuning because it is so hard. And while Falco Long does seem to hold its effect longer than other boosters, I think 2 weeks is probably as long as it goes before a noticeable drop in performance and the elastic boosted feel begins to wear off. Do you have the same problem with a softer version (39/40)? You might also consider applying even thinner layers when you boost and waiting twice as long as you'd normally think to wait between layers. If you use layers that aren't thin enough or do not wait long enough between applications, you risk clogging the sponge's inner pores with wet booster that won't dry properly (even if the sponge surface appears dry) which will perform poorly/bubble quickly. edit: I also think sticking with commercial H3 NEO is still a good deal compared to using most other rubbers. As long as you can iron out the tuning aspect of it and assuming you go through a sheet a month, it will still come out cheaper than changing something like tenergy every 2-3 months. And it also helps that H3 is relatively cheap per sheet in case you damage the rubber.
Edited by schen - 01/12/2015 at 7:04am |
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chop4ever
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I often use Falco Long and Juic Ecolo Expander (for sponge and top-sheet tuning). I redo the boosting job every week. In that photo shows Neo Hurricane III hardness=D41 which I have boosted it 4 layers of Falco Long. I made it just a day before a tournament and it lasted about 2 weeks training before I can't do loop against loop and totally be ruined very quickly afterwards. It seems that Neo Hurricane is a kind of sucking money rubber. 50 bucks for a month is just throwing money to window. I wonder if anyone know how to keep its life-span last longer. |
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There is no real "pro", "prov" or "NT" H3 in the market.
Falco is not a booster |
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aroonkl
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+1. Same to me. If I tune 3 layers or more, rubbers work great for 2 weeks after that Slip.
I use Falco long or Dianchi.
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schen
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I usually switch my rubbers before they reach the point where they die, usually after they no longer expand like I said or become too small to fit my blade. The amount of layers when reboosting depends on how long it's been since the last boost. If the tuning is completely gone, usually 3 layers is enough, if it just needs a little extra kick, then 1-2 layers is enough. And yes, the pips showing through the topsheet happens when the rubber is tensioned/boosted. Reboosting achieves that too.
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