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AndySmith 
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OK, this is an interesting read.
http://www.butterfly.co.jp/information/info/20150210.html Now, running it through Google Translate isn't a perfect experience, but I get a general feeling that this announcement is all about the price fixing and international shipping restrictions imposed by BTY in recent years. There seems to be mention that due to increased "smuggling" (ha!) stock has been short in Japan. So...what do others think? Is this a return to the days of freely-available BTY products? Are they backtracking? Would be great if anyone could give a better translation of this post... |
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good find Andy - you are the bearer of good news!
So it seems that they're doing away with fixed prices in regions and shall let the market (dealers) decide (just like it is for ESN products). I'm assuming that dealers shall be all allowed to ship globally and compete with each other then. This is great for those that live in the US and Europe.
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Posted: 02/10/2015 at 11:18am |
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Sounds good. Thanks for letting us bty ho's 👍😆 know!
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if this turns out to be true i'm going to be pretty happy. Often when i let players use my equipment and they're interested in it they become instantly deterred when i tell them the price of just a single sheet of rubber.
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Posted: 02/10/2015 at 12:49pm |
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The truth is probably that their global sale is decreasing rapidly due to their stupid policy. A company can fall rapidly just for a stupid policy.
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Before Butterfly will "allow" more competition you can be pretty sure they will rise their Prices before.
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Ray
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Butterfly will increase their pricing certainly. And that's good news? I'm missing something...
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Butterfly may not increase their pricing significantly...else they may lose their share in the local market .
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NEW SELLING POLICY BY BUTTERFLY AS RESULTING FROM MASSIVE SMUGGLING BY DOMESTIC SHOPPERS, ---> DRAIN BTF PRODUCTS OUT OF JAPAN ABROAD.
Essencials from BTF Public Appeal.
NOTE: The "forein" dealers are still free to keep up their retail price AT ANY RATE they think good for their business. Luckily, I have never been butterfly product eater. Never. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.butterfly.co.jp/information/info/20150210.html&usg=ALkJrhiFDjDbx4cT42_zGPkEDfcO2yIupg |
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Isn't it just a matter of the yen vs euro/dollar value ? Increasing the prices when the blade is sold in Yens, decreasing it when its sold in other currencies ? The issue seems to be that prices in Yens are much more appealing than prices in €/$ and thats why they complain about products made for Japan market going abroad.
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More likely this is the result of ESN products closing the performance gap and proliferating through a cornucopia of brands and distribution networks. Android v Apple.
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I wish. At the last big tournament I entered I couldn't see one player over 2000 with not BTY blade. Rubbers have more variety, but even there most folk have at least one tenergy. But blades.. complete hegemony.
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Ray
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Butterfly prices are about to increase up to 25% on domestic market. The information is accurate although I still don't know whether it will be applied to all products or just to the best selling items. Fortunately I'm not Butterfly addict so I don't care.
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Interesting observation - very different from what I observed in my club. I just counted 13 active players >2000 and only 3 of them use BTY blades |
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At one Rec Center in NYC where 18 players have/had a rating >2000USATT, 15 of them uses BTY blades. Even more for those who are unrated, & <2000USATT=S
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Could it be that since my club is located in "poor" (LOL) suburbs of NYC that we cannot afford BTY prices? ... or we don't know much about equipment and unknowingly play with inferior gear? Edited by VictorK - 02/11/2015 at 9:41am |
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Wait, but I just ordered two sheets of $40 Evo mx-p from Estonia. It hasn't even come yet and Bfy is going to lower the US prices they just raised a few months back?
The USD is up so they could cut prices here, but exchange rates change more frequently than customers will accept for retail prices. If you pick something to use long-term, you want to have a good idea what it will cost. I bet tenergy stays at $68. Blade prices are crazy high, it's true. But compared to rubbers the blade cost isn't much. And there are always used ones in perfect condition on the forum.
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LOL... The "poor" cannot afford to live in your area if they choose to use BTY gear=P We have a dealer that runs around & telling players they will play better with BTY gear=S
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Posted: 02/11/2015 at 10:16am |
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Where did you get this information from, could you share your source?
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Well, I could, but I prefer to keep it confidential. |
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Amazing! The $/yen has gone sky-high (it was below 78 in 2012 and is 120 now - a 53% rise!). Their costs are in yen (local factory) and by hiking the domestic market prices and keeping the $-based price the same, they are, in effect, hiking prices dramatically overall!
As they should - in both the NJ-clubs that I frequent, especially the one in which there are a lot of kids training, at least 75% of the people there must be using Tenergy rubbers and BTY blades. I had asked a 2500 player & Tenergy user there if he ever thought about using MX-P - he hadn't even heard of it. Just look how successful their SZLC blades have done given the profit margins on them. It validates their decision to keep raising prices till the players' backs break. Good businessmen but bad for us! This is exactly the opposite of what we (in the US) see is happening to the prices of the ESN products (effective prices have come down because of the $ rally against the EUR).
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Prices have fallen sharply (25% on many items) on the US butterflyonline website for blades and rubbers. Tenergy for $51, Viscaria for $90 - odd.
Wonder if this is permanent (even though they say that it is a sale). Or, perhaps, they're getting rid of the dealership. BTW: has this happened in Europe as well?
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Wow, Tenergy for $51
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Prices are just about the same on iru iru.
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It is very unlikely that NA butterfly just quits their business. No matter what, this is great news.
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according to that news, Butterfly will modify the pricing starting Feb 21, which starts at this time in Japan. It is interesting to see whether megaspin and other retailers keep up with the changes.
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must sell off blades quick >.<
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Does that mean higher in Japan and lower here? Or some other direction? It seems like it's already come down here, but then again, it is already Feb 21 in Japan, so maybe that is it? |
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Unfortunately, prices are higher in Japan. Some composite blades are up to 50% more expensive today than yesterday. Tenergy rubbers also. Prices are equal to the prices in Europe now.
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