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Make your forehand loop even more powerful! |
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tom
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No comments? I thought many members would have thoughts on this.
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illinichamps
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If you read my above posts you understand that a fh loop begins with the feet, legs, waist and then the arm should be loose and going along for the ride. So.. there is not much thought about the shoulder. If you are concerned about that then your form is wrong. The only thing your shoulder should do is drop slightly when you are looping against underspin.
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zeio
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The role of the shoulder is relatively small in a loop drive. It serves the role of relaying the momentum from the lower body and controls the direction of the swing(more vertical for a slow loop and more horizontal for a fast loop). In that regard, the shoulder should lead the arm.
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tom
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illi and zeio, Will look into your input little more over the next few days. Now I remember I asked my coach about this a while back but can't remember what she said. Will ask next time I see her
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jrscatman
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Tom, Here is a video from the world of Tennis. See if this might help. I think if you started another thread on this you might have gotten more responses. Thanks
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tom
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JRS, thank you for the video, what points am I am observing that could help with the loop ?
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jrscatman
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Loose arm, swing with shoulder - low to high will provide topspin without having to cover the ball. Should be much easier to swing -but timing could be an issue in TT. Really saves the arm. But requires good footwork and starting the swing early and hitting in front than the side.
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tom
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the advice is to use the shoulders to supplement the loop drive just before contact
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Ringer84
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For me, I never really think about turning at the shoulders, but at the hips. It's impossible to rotate your hips without the shoulders going along for the ride, so I just think about turning at the hips to ensure both lower and upper body rotation occurs.
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Key for me is try NOT use the arm - but legs, hips, torso and shoulders. But in tight situation still go back to hitting with the arm. It's not easy to stay relaxed move the feet and generate a smooth swing without using the arm. But you should try the various techniques and see which one fits your game. As they say "different strokes for different folks!"
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Ringer84
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I guess the shoulders "supplement" the stroke, but I would never consciously think about using my shoulders in a FH loop. If you snap your hips through the ball, the shoulders will snap through together with them. I doubt that any high level player gives much thought to what their shoulder is doing, except to possibly lower it slightly to lift heavy underspin, like Illinischamp said. I am not a high level player, however, so I'm ready and willing to be corrected. To me, there are only 3 things that truly matter in a FH loop stroke: 1) proper arm movement (swing plane) that corresponds to where the ball is in its trajectory 2) hip rotation and initiating the swing from the hips 3) proper timing (contact point) Edited by Ringer84 - 07/03/2015 at 2:08pm |
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tom
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thanks, I think all (most) of the viewpoints from the members are valid, but like you said it has to complement my strength and weakness (there is only so much I can change on a 3 days a week basis). It would be just to decide which area I should emphasis a little bit more, without committing a major no no.
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