Tibhar Evolution EL-P thread

Edited by Nasche - 05/26/2016 at 8:28pm

I did not like EL-P. Too hard a topsheet for such a (relatively soft sponge). Result: you need to swing a bit to generate spin but then the rubber is prone to bottoming out. Clearly less spinny than MX-P. Unlike MX-P, EL-P is not that great with plastic ball.

If one wants a fast blocking / hitting BH rubber (like EL-P) but is great in terms of grip with plastic ball (unlike EL-P), I recommend Rakza 9.

PM me if you want to buy a new, red, max EL-P sheet.

Edited by Nasche - 06/27/2016 at 1:25pm

I actually like MX-P and EL-P, but they are quite different from each other with different strengths and weaknesses.  I am used to T05, so the low throw of EL-P bothered me some, more so on my BH than on my FH for some strange reason.  But I think both of them are good.  If MX-P was just a tiny by softer, I would like it better.  If EL-P threw the ball just a tiny bit higher, I would like it better.  But both Evolution rubbers are very good IMHO.  I like them much much more than any of the Bluefire rubbers I tried or P7 or Rakza. 

I don't know much about the other recent ESN rubbers that people like.

I forgot to mention one important EL-P attribute in my note above: all that was assuming one plays with a stiff, OFF / OFF+ composite blade. EL-P does not perform well with those.

MXP vs ELP spinwise... which one has more spin on loops/serves/etc? If, in addition to that, someone could compare their spin to the tenergies (05/64), that would be awesome.

I played for some time with ELP Max and I liked it at the Stiga Clipper Wood Crest Donic Off. In conjunction with the Clipper Wood played on both sides and also excellent plastic balls. My game is brush loops and felt no shortage of spin and other ailments. Good combo into the middle distance and was not too low in years.

I feel that an el-p should work well with most blades that have enough flex and dwell. Used it on a tbs and felt decent. Definitely not as powerful as mxp or t05 from a lil far off the table, but good control with some easy spin close to the table. And I found it good enough for brush looping close to the table, while it feels like it might 'bottom out'/ max out on the spin and arc if u go too behind.

But it just dint feel right for my bh, not enough catapult and I felt like I needed to swing more than I do with mxp /t05.

EL-P is my forehand rubber of choice. On carbon blades, it is perfect. The topsheet is a bit softer than T05, the sponge is more porous so it plays completely different (feels harder at low power, and then suddenly softer).

The rubber is rather slow, much less catapult than t05, but on carbon it becomes rather fast (in particular it becomes faster than MX-P).

On carbon, I can't find a problem in the rubber, (after using it for 4 months including many competitions) so I am not trying anything else. (If I did find a problem with it, I would try rasant turbo).

the rubber is not particularly spinny, and is rather slow, but excels in control.

For backhand, I feel it is too hard, and I prefer fx-p there.

make sure you boost el-p with a good booster (I use seamon, better than falco long) and you stretch the rubber about 1cm when you glue it.


Edited by seguso - 06/21/2016 at 5:25am

Baal wrote: seguso wrote: EL-P is my forehand rubber of choice. On carbon blades, it is perfect. The topsheet is a bit softer than T05, the sponge is more porous so it plays completely different (feels harder at low power, and then suddenly softer). The rubber is rather slow, much less catapult than t05, but on carbon it becomes rather fast (in particular it becomes faster than MX-P). On carbon, I can't find a problem in the rubber, (after using it for 4 months including many competitions) so I am not trying anything else. (If I did find a problem with it, I would try rasant turbo). the rubber is not particularly spinny, and is rather slow, but excels in control. For backhand, I feel it is too hard, and I prefer fx-p there. make sure you boost el-p with a good booster (I use seamon, better than falco long) and you stretch the rubber about 1cm when you glue it. Nice description.  I only play with ALC blades, but this is pretty much how it seemed to me on my FH.  I found it kind of strange on my BH, and there T05 works better for me.  I still use T05 both sides.

I too play with ALC (Pg-12). Saying "carbon" I was including alc.

Off topic: Baal, since I recall you are *the* autorithy on viscaria and ALC, :) do you happen to know if galaxy/yinhe venus-14 is close to viscaria and tb alc? I've seen pictures and it's the same thickness and construction.


Edited by seguso - 06/22/2016 at 3:21am

Sorry seguso. I've never tried one of those.

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) wrote: Can I get a quick description against Bluefire JP series? Was reading about these rubbers earlier and I heard mixed opinions. I feel like Donic Bluefire JP01 in 1.8mm might be the rubber for me, coming from a Tenergy 64 test blade. It seems to tick the right boxes, soft top sheet, around 47deg hardness, small porous sponge. Give it a bit of a boost and it should reach the 64 speed. Hmmm, or should I look else where like Rasant Grip and EL-P? I just don't want to spend the money for a Tenergy if I can help it.

bluefire jp series: the non porous sponge make them slow (much slower than bluefire M series), the softer topsheet make them lower throw than the bluefire M series. Also, bluefire JP are lower throw than evolution -P series. they are like the evolution -S series. The speed of bluefire jp01 is less than bluefire M1 and M2, more or less equal to el-p and mx-p. it makes no sense IMHO to get jp01 less than max, because as I said it is slow. even on backhand. if you must go JP, then probably jp02 is closer to t64 in hardness. But fx-p is more similar imho to t64 than any donic rubber. Fx-p is high throw, linear and fast.

jp02 is slower and much lower throw than t64. fxp is faster and higher throw, more like t64. (though still a bit softer and slower than t64 I guess)

punching is ok with fx-p. (unlike, say, m2 or m3), though it is not a shot that I do. of course it won't be as good as acuda in that.


Edited by seguso - 06/26/2016 at 3:36am