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richrf
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Posted: 12/05/2017 at 9:58am |
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Lol. 😃 Very true. |
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Baal
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As stated clearly in the movie Risky Business, sometimes you just have to say "what the f%%k".
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richrf
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I was concerned about ordering online but I decided to take the risk. This was the absolutely last time I do this. Buying sight unseen is far to big of a gamble. I'm being fair with my sale price putting the value exactly where I believe it is worth but if I can't sell it there is a local University that has an active group of beginner players that I'll donate the racket to as a tournament prize. Edited by richrf - 12/05/2017 at 9:22am |
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Baal
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The first DTC I bought, when they first came out, was very good indeed, about 90 grams, basically a straight handled Viscaria. A very good blade, I got from Schoeller and Micke. So I bought a second one (from TT11). It was much lighter (more like 84 g) and played much differently. I had the same thing happen with some ZJK-ALCs with straight handles. At the time, about two years ago, I had begun to explore how I would play with a ST handle. I am back with FL. By the way, this is an issue with the blade maker, not the vendor.
This problem is not unique to these blades, I have a couple of very sub-par Viscarias in a closet also. It is, I suspect, true of anything made of wood. This is always a problem if you have to order on-line in the US. Rich, you have found the solution to that, which is resell the ones you don't like. I am too fricking lazy to do it, the one thing I hate is to pack up blades and go to the post office, so I suffer in silence. I have gotten lucky a few times though, sometimes on-line and sometimes here. Thank you Emihet, again, for the black tags you sold me!!!!! And you only need to get lucky once or twice. (A black tag Viscaria is no guarantee, though). |
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richrf
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I gave my reasons why this blade doesn't work for me. It's up for for sale for anyone who wants it for what I believe to be fair value. Edited by richrf - 12/05/2017 at 8:38am |
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vanjr
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Buying online is high risk IF you not know what you want. You should know the general weight and characteristics you desire before you order or you should not be ordering. Handle size is important and often not well published but a search of forums should help. Statements of "this blade is hopeless" do not help. This blade does not work for me is more accurate and less inflammatory.
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richrf
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Thanks. I agree. Buying online is a high risk proposition. I knew it was a bad idea but I ran out of options so I tried especially since TT11 was selling it pretty cheap. As it turns out, standing pat was the best option. Never again. I was just lucky when I was in Chicago and got a great blade from Killerspin. Edited by richrf - 12/05/2017 at 12:39am |
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NextLevel
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Another example of why it is important to try before you buy. If not, you get situations like these, where someone goes out of his way to insult a perfectly good blade used by many good players because he purchased it based on the recommendations of players who may or may not play like him (but some of whom are definitely higher rated).
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
Cybershape Carbon FH/BH: H3P 41D. Lumberjack TT, not for lovers of beautiful strokes. No time to train... |
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richrf
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Thanks but I know this blade is hopeless so I don't want to use it so I can sell it as completely brand new. Edited by richrf - 12/04/2017 at 9:12pm |
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ohwell
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If the Viscaria is a starter blade for teenagers, sure. You haven’t played with it at all? If the handle is the big issue why not try grip tape? |
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richrf
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I just put it up for sale if you want your third. 😃 |
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slevin
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Re: DOTC - if you get your target weight, it is a fantastic blade for the price. At least the ST handle is great.
In fact, I have 2 DOTCs that are too heavy for me to handle (only 89g but a bit too stiff for me - I can handle heavy flexy blades but not heavy stiff ones). More powerful than Viscaria for sure.
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richrf
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I just picked up DOTC from TT11. Pretty disappointed. The handle is very small and as I read in one review more appropriate as a starter blade for a teenager. It is also very light and doesnt feel very solid. Too bad. I'll be staying with my 8 year old Killerspin DQ. I'm surprised at the lukewarm reception that the DQ received when it first came out when it feels so much more like a real blade compared to the True Carbon and other blades that I've tried out. At the time I thought I made a mistake, but I didn't. Still better than almost anything I've tried since. As the saying goes, different strokes for different folks.
BTW, it's up for sale in the FS forum with two Mantra M, 1.9 if anyone wants it. Never played (and may never be played. 😃). Edited by richrf - 12/04/2017 at 5:46pm |
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ronakvyas86
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Completely different I suppose. I'm currently using carbospeed and in the past I've tried timo boll spirit (which is similar to true carbon) and they are very different. Carbospeed is very stiff and is better for hitting. However, you can still loop with carbospeed fairly well (that would take some skill if you're coming from flexy blades) but you can never generate as much spin as the thinner alc blades. |
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tom
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tried carbospeed briefly , much faster, almost no dwell
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Danny1973
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Does the true carbon play like the carbospeed, or are this two complet different blades?
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DreiZ
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It's already returned. It had some nice weight to the handle but definitely small because I just bought my SSCB in anatomical and this handle is wider/bigger than DOTC. Edited by DreiZ - 04/06/2017 at 10:31am |
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
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bard romance
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Did you try holding it/at least shadowing some strokes? I have only used a few anatomic handles, but it didn't feel any smaller than the rest of them, fit pretty snug in the middle bump, if anything a bit more than others I've tried. Might be more thickness but less width to the handle than usual.
Was not head heavy, less so than Viscarias. Edited by bard romance - 04/06/2017 at 9:56am |
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DreiZ
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Here is my DOTC at 85g AN handle that I've recently received. Although I'm going to return it, i want to post some pictures of it just for anyone that is curious about the handle.
The handle seems small for an Anatomical handle. Lengthwise it is shorter than my SSCB. Thickness is the same. DOTC is obviously wider at the neck being AN, but the end of the handle is rather narrow compared to a my FL SSCB. Ive imagined it to be longer and wider overall. Nonetheless, I'm not keeping it but here are some pictures. Forgot to mention, the handle feels very solid and has some significant weight to it, feels as it wouldnt be head heavy with heavy rubbers which is great imo. Edited by DreiZ - 03/16/2017 at 7:13pm |
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
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bard romance
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Agreed with the general consensus here, pretty much a Viscaria clone, not sure about faster, but certainly not sure about slower, but very similar feel overall. May consider selling one off if anyone is interested, PM.
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ttspirit
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I'm nut sure but also the FL handle of true carbon must have more thickness than ALC FL
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ttspirit
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Handle of True Carbon is: Wideness 29,0 mm , thickness 23,30
Boll ALC ST is : 27,5 mm , 22,30 or thinner sometimes the touch of the handles are different, ALC is very squarish, true carbon a little less another big difference of these two blades is that the true carbon is not headheavy, the handles must have clearly more weight than the ALC handles. I prefer normally just head heavy blades because of more self-energy. |
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DreiZ
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Read a lot on this blade but still need more input.
Does the FL or ST have better balance towards the handle? And how is the FL handle compared to Viscaria and TB ALC? I personally like the Viscaria handle and the old ZJK ALC because of thickness, TB ALC however is a bit thin for me. Thanks
Edited by DreiZ - 03/04/2017 at 8:41pm |
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Ovtcharov Innerforce ALC 85g FH/BH: Glayzer 09C 2.1mm Chopper: Stratus Power Defense 85g FH: Hybrid K3 max BH: Grass D.TecS 0.9mm USATT: 1725 |
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Baal
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With Viscaria, the lighter the blade the more head-heavy is the balance. TB-ALC has slightly longer handle which adds weight back there, which I think is a good thing. DTC, I'm not sure because mine are ST, so don't want to compare to FL handle blades. On the other things, I would agree with Rocketman's last post except bear in mind, there is variation from one to another.
I don't think I can say anything more about these blades that isn't in one of the two DTC threads on MyTT. DTC is a good blade for a good price. If you like Btfly ALC blades there is a good chance you will like a DTC, since it is pretty much the same thing. But no two blades are alike and weight (!!) and luck factor in. |
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player87
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so which one is more balanced in terms of weight/head heaviness? DTC or Viscaria?
Does it mean if blade is lighter like 84 gr the balance more towards handle or not? |
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rocketman222
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Yes absolutely, TB-ALC even with heavy rubbers on both sides(tenergy max and mxp max) still feels very evenly balanced. I felt they were both equally fast, except i felt my viscaria to feel softer and TB-ALC felt a little harder on ball impact. Also viscaria felt more stable while blocking, i m not sure how or why that was the case.
Edited by rocketman222 - 02/25/2017 at 9:46pm |
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Baal
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Based on two DTC blades I would say DTC is closer to Viscaria. Maybe not a big enough sample size. They are all pretty similar.
These things are made of wood so no two are identical. None of them are good if they are too light imho |
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piligrim
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you should direct compare TB ALC to Viscaria without compare to YEO 7 Power. don't know why you mixing with YEO 7 Power. if you will take TB ALC and Viscaria both same weight Viscaria will be much faster. |
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unstopabl3
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I didn't really feel that my Viscaria was head heavy then again I didn't use it for a prolong period of time. It seems you have tried both Viscaria and TB ALC, which one in your opinion is faster? And are you saying TB ALC is not head heavy and is more balanced than Viscaria? |
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unstopabl3
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I have a Viscaria which is about 92g and I specifically got it this heavy so that it should be fast, but I feel it to be even slower than my YEO 7 Power which in return is slower than the TB ALC blades I've tried. So it's my observation with the blades which I have tried myself, others observations may differ due to weight differences and what not. |
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