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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.
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Which kind of XuShaofa 999? There are several types! But as I know you can`t buy XuShaofa rubbers anymore. Nobody offers them at the moment.
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Originally posted by haushamerschuah haushamerschuah wrote:

Which kind of XuShaofa 999? There are several types! But as I know you can`t buy XuShaofa rubbers anymore. Nobody offers them at the moment.

The rubber is not XuShaofa 999. It is 999 999T Type. The company that it is branded as is called 999 or Globe 999. You can buy it at eacheng.net.

Originally posted by edgy edgy wrote:

Here you go:

http://www.eacheng.net/999-999T-Type-p10927.html

Tackiest TT rubber known to man.

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Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

Then you're going about it all wrong.

If you want slower more controlled, just get a thinner sponge more control oriented quality rubber. Read rubber reviews on tabletennisdb.com

Trust me if you're looking for tackyness, even with protectors & cleaning regularly, your rubber will be far less tacky 2 weeks in compared to when it was fresh out of the pack.

Forget going for extreme tackyness. Just find something controlled and on a thinner sponge.

I'm surprised you haven't pulled the trigger on a rubber yet by now honestly.


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Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by vanjr vanjr wrote:

 
If that kokutaku is not tacky enough nothing will be. The sponge on that was so hard and dead that i could chop heavy spin loops on my fh w ease. Attacking was another story.

I cant wait to try it. I dont know if it can be tackier than the xushaofa 999 though . A guy uses it in my club and that rubber is unbelievably sticky.


Again, dear el luchador Wink:
Which kind of XuShaofa 999? There are several types! But as I know you can`t buy XuShaofa rubbers anymore. Nobody offers them at the moment.

You did not answer to what I have asked.
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Originally posted by haushamerschuah haushamerschuah wrote:

Which kind of XuShaofa 999? There are several types! But as I know you can`t buy XuShaofa rubbers anymore. Nobody offers them at the moment.

The rubber is not XuShaofa 999. It is 999 999T Type. The company that it is branded as is called 999 or Globe 999. You can buy it at eacheng.net.

Originally posted by edgy edgy wrote:

Here you go:

http://www.eacheng.net/999-999T-Type-p10927.html

Tackiest TT rubber known to man.



Wrong answer. I asked el luchador about XuShaofa.
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Hello Ej's,

Just to be on the same page.

I did the video few years ago ...

I've almost tried everything about 999's...from Globe, Juic, Xushaofa, Three Nine...


The mega tackiest one presented on the video is :
Three Nine - Super 999T - Blue Lucifer 2.2mm (black) glued on Butterfly Kong Linghui Special.

Check the thread I wrote in 2011 : 
http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=39999&PN=2

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Servus Brahms,

what is an Ej? I don`t know this shortcut.

I have tried almost the same rubbers like you. All Globes, XuShaofa, Three Nine, 2-3 Juics and I agree with everything I have read from you in the last years. But in my opinion this is the tackiest rubber:



http://www.ebay.de/itm/2x-999T-high-viscosity-Pips-In-Table-Tennis-Rubber-without-Sponge-TopSheet-OX-/311735355424?hash=item4894e00820:g:jbEAAOSwirZTtLoz&autorefresh=true

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Hello,

Ej means : Equipment junkie Smile
Thanks for the tips I will have a look on the one you mentionned.

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Do always follow the Golden Midst rule. Do avoid any extremes when making rubber choice.
Tackiness is sure to go away with time, no doubt.
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Originally posted by haushamerschuah haushamerschuah wrote:

Servus Brahms,

what is an Ej? I don`t know this shortcut.

I have tried almost the same rubbers like you. All Globes, XuShaofa, Three Nine, 2-3 Juics and I agree with everything I have read from you in the last years. But in my opinion this is the tackiest rubber:



http://www.ebay.de/itm/2x-999T-high-viscosity-Pips-In-Table-Tennis-Rubber-without-Sponge-TopSheet-OX-/311735355424?hash=item4894e00820:g:jbEAAOSwirZTtLoz&autorefresh=true

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Who knows what happened to 729 wang nan or sp?
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They discontinued it whenever wang nan jumped ship to dhs.

Interestingly she could never get used to the h3 formulation no matter how they tweaked it.  They ended up giving 729 a mold and letting them pour the sp formulation into h3 topsheets for her to use.

But the regular sp tospheet was never quite as tacky as the regular 729, and much less so than fx.  The version she used (and I got the leftovers) was less thick and less tacky than the stock version as well.
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Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

I don't know how.  I know it does - you can ask people who use tacky rubbers and protector sheets.  My Big Dipper and Juic 999 Turbo got tackier when I cleaned them and used protector sheets.
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Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

Then you're going about it all wrong.

If you want slower more controlled, just get a thinner sponge more control oriented quality rubber. Read rubber reviews on tabletennisdb.com

Trust me if you're looking for tackyness, even with protectors & cleaning regularly, your rubber will be far less tacky 2 weeks in compared to when it was fresh out of the pack.

Forget going for extreme tackyness. Just find something controlled and on a thinner sponge.

I'm surprised you haven't pulled the trigger on a rubber yet by now honestly.

This was not my experience.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

Then you're going about it all wrong.

If you want slower more controlled, just get a thinner sponge more control oriented quality rubber. Read rubber reviews on tabletennisdb.com

Trust me if you're looking for tackyness, even with protectors & cleaning regularly, your rubber will be far less tacky 2 weeks in compared to when it was fresh out of the pack.

Forget going for extreme tackyness. Just find something controlled and on a thinner sponge.

I'm surprised you haven't pulled the trigger on a rubber yet by now honestly.

This was not my experience.

Maybe I just have a dusty basement. IDK. ??  But trust me I'm glad to hear others have not all experienced that.

I don't play with tacky rubbers anymore anyways. ;)
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

I don't know how.  I know it does - you can ask people who use tacky rubbers and protector sheets.  My Big Dipper and Juic 999 Turbo got tackier when I cleaned them and used protector sheets.

Tacky rubber user here. On FH for more than 2.5 years now. Still using and have no intention of quitting. H3 Neo/H8/Big Dipper/Sanwei Target National. Played with each for at least 4-5 months, 2-3 matches/practice sessions per week.

I always use a sticky protector sheet when not playing, even between games, and always clean the rubber with plain tap water after playing. Once the sticky protector sheet gets dusty I clean with with plain tap water too. 

In my experience, this ensures the above rubbers stay as tacky as they were out of the original packaging. Haven't noticed any significant long term deterioration or increase in tackiness with either of these rubbers.


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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by suds79 suds79 wrote:

Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

Then you're going about it all wrong.

If you want slower more controlled, just get a thinner sponge more control oriented quality rubber. Read rubber reviews on tabletennisdb.com

Trust me if you're looking for tackyness, even with protectors & cleaning regularly, your rubber will be far less tacky 2 weeks in compared to when it was fresh out of the pack.

Forget going for extreme tackyness. Just find something controlled and on a thinner sponge.

I'm surprised you haven't pulled the trigger on a rubber yet by now honestly.

This was not my experience.

Neither mine.

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I have a quick question for the tacky rubber users. It's common for those sheets to oxidize. How do you remove the oxidation?
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Originally posted by tt4u tt4u wrote:

I have a quick question for the tacky rubber users. It's common for those sheets to oxidize. How do you remove the oxidation?

Based on what evidence/under what conditions is it common for tacky rubbers to oxidize? 
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Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

I just ordered the following. Hopefully I find the one I like out of this bunch so I can stick to it.


999 999T Type
DHS PF4
KOKUTAKU BLütenkirsche 868 (TENSION, SUPER-TACKY)
729 Super FX (Black Rubber with Black Sponge)
DHS Hurricane2




Hi all, just an update. I got the above sheets in. I havent used them in play but did peel the edge of the sticker off each one to test the level of tackyness and the only two that I would consider sticky would be the globe 999t type and the kokutaku 868 super tacky.

I will begin testing tomorrow starting with the 999s
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Originally posted by tt4u tt4u wrote:

I have a quick question for the tacky rubber users. It's common for those sheets to oxidize. How do you remove the oxidation?

I would say yes it's fairly common, and there really isn't a way, except to say that they still play well and if you keep playing with them over time that look fades.
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Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

Originally posted by el luchador el luchador wrote:

Originally posted by NextLevel NextLevel wrote:

You can make any tacky rubber extremely tacky by using protector sheets if it is tackiness you care about.  IF you want a good rubber, then look for one and stop wasting time on tackiness.

Hi, if you dont mind me asking how do the protector sheets make the rubber more tacky?

at my level is there such a thing as a good rubber? I just want the tack rubbers because they slow the ball down just enough for me to have more control.

I don't know how.  I know it does - you can ask people who use tacky rubbers and protector sheets.  My Big Dipper and Juic 999 Turbo got tackier when I cleaned them and used protector sheets.

Tom told me once that Chinese manufacturers were so concerned that tacky rubbers would play poorly out of the package and people panic on the "bounce test" that they started actually putting a thin coat of something not as tacky over the outside of the rubbers so they would play better initially.  I've seen a lot of rubbers get initially tackier before they got less tacky.  I wouldn't be shocked if this was the case with your experiences.  I don't believe that the plastics themselves (unless it's the kind with adhesive and it's rubbing off) are going to make the rubber tackier.


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I always use a sticky protector sheet when not playing, even between games, and always clean the rubber with plain tap water after playing. Once the sticky protector sheet gets dusty I clean with with plain tap water too. 

In my experience, this ensures the above rubbers stay as tacky as they were out of the original packaging. Haven't noticed any significant long term deterioration or increase in tackiness with either of these rubbers.


When I played with tacky rubber I did the same thing except I used a piece of clear vinyl purchased in one yard sheets for a few bucks at JoAnn's and I wiped the rubber with a microfiber cloth and plain water.  The tacky stayed for months and months.  Rubbers were all 729 or Gambler.
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quick Video of the 999t

 the red side is way more sticky than the black side even though normally people expect black to be stickier.

i put a rubber protector sheet overnight and it was stickier this morning than straight out of the package



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Got to try some  999t.  Started with the pickup the ball test.  That was as far as I got because 2hrs later the ball was still stuck to the paddle.  Could not even shake it off.  That rubber is amazingly tacky.

Mark - Now missing a $3 ball that walked out the door stuck to a visitor's paddle.

PS - Just to be clear, there is NO exaggeration in the above post Wink
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quick feedback on DHS pf4 and kokutaku blutenkirsche 868

neither are very tacky out of the box. will pick up the ball but not hold it at all.

both play very similary with pf4 being a little more dead(more control) 

I tried the sword maze again after it had been under a rubber protector for 2 weeks. I am not exaggerating, it will hold the ball for a full minute no problem. we are talking about a well worn rubber here. if I ever find it im buying it by the dozen. 
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Every sheet of pf4 I've ever seen was super tacky.  Wonder if they're putting a little "less tacky" sheen over the top now so you don't panic on the first use?
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I will be trying it tonight and will report back if it gets more tacky.

dropping a ball on it and it bounces once and settles. no bounce at all.
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Originally posted by haushamerschuah haushamerschuah wrote:

Which kind of XuShaofa 999? There are several types! But as I know you can`t buy XuShaofa rubbers anymore. Nobody offers them at the moment.


Actually here are a few XuShaofa 999's available at TTNPP: 

http://ttnpp.com/store/xushaofa/222-xushaofa-lsz-ii-999-tornado-tension-gp-sponge-6.html

http://ttnpp.com/store/xushaofa/221-xushaofa-lsz-999-tornado-6.html


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Originally posted by cole_ely cole_ely wrote:

Every sheet of pf4 I've ever seen was super tacky.  Wonder if they're putting a little "less tacky" sheen over the top now so you don't panic on the first use?

I have now used pf4 for two hours. one hour of practice and one of play.

sorry to say but it did not get tackier. it has about the same amount of tack as 729fx, geospin tacky, h2 etc. imo what i would call mild tack.

still looking for the flypaper tacky topsheet :)
Do or do not, there is no try- Yoda
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