Lighter Viscarias can generate more spin ?

No. 

Johnny.d.p wrote: There is no best weight. This is a classic mental effect/placebo. It can be true that heavier produces more force in shot as force = mass x acceleration in the case that the same player is using the same technique and is capable of using both blades and ian't too 'weak' to swing the heavier bar. There is no known correlation between mass and spin as far as I know unless someone can enlighten me.

I just feel that lighter blades are less bouncy so the ball would
stay on the rubber longer, hence allowing you to brush the longer and generate more spin. That is how I feel with my 2 viscaria blades ~ the 85g viscaria blade allows me to graze the ball longer than the 90g and boucier Viscaria blade. I can be wrong though.

Edited by jackwong23 - 12/08/2016 at 8:13am

The hardest thing in the world is to know if you are generating more or less spin.  Your opponent may block off the table, sure, but that does not necessarily mean more spin.  It means he got his rack angle wrong, which could mean he underestimated how fast the ball was coming, where the ball was coming or the spin. 

So the true answer is, I think, we don't know if the lighter blade would generate more spin.

For sure, though, they will vibrate slightly differently when they ball hits them, and they will feel a little different, and heavier blades cause you to engage slightly different group of muscle fibers within the muscle itself (that is something complicated celled the motoneuron size principle in physiology, which would take too long to describe).

You can move the paddle faster if it is lighter. And that might create more spin.

What the OP is saying ain't entirely false, iv had a similar experience with the xiom vega pro, of the lot iv tried, the lighter ones hold the ball a bit longer and produce spin a bit easier. Though, you can easily create the same spin with a heavier blade with good technique, and the heavier blades usually have the advantage of generating more power from behind the table too. And the ball dips earlier with the slower blade because there's less speed on the ball, if you just close your bat angle and brush a bit more with the faster blade you should get a similar dip.

All in all, for the p- ball, id definitely choose a blade that's at the upper limit of what I can handle weight wise. Though sometimes, weight isn't evrything, some blades just feel special regardless if you have 10 or more around the same weight.

Edited by nv42 - 12/08/2016 at 2:03pm

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Edited by jackwong23 - 12/08/2016 at 2:05pm

nv42 wrote: What the OP is saying ain't entirely false, iv had a similar experience with the xiom vega pro, of the lot iv tried, the lighter ones hold the ball a bit longer and produce spin a bit easier. Though, you can easily create the same spin with a heavier blade with good technique, and the heavier blades usually have the advantage of generating more power from behind the table too. And the ball dips earlier with the slower blade because there's less speed on the ball, if you just close your bat angle and brush a bit more with the faster blade you should get a similar dip. All in all, for the p- ball, id definitely choose a blade that's at the upper limit of what I can handle weight wise. Though sometimes, weight isn't evrything, some blades just feel special regardless if you have 10 or more around the same weight.

At last someone agrees with me.

From my personally experiece, my lighter Vis gives me
more dwell time which makes it easier for me to create spin and curve/dip on the ball. The disadvantage with lighter blades is that they are less powerful and have a more hollow feeling than heavier blades.

jackwong23 wrote: Baal, the following is the reason why I know my lighter Viscaria can create a lot more spin than my heavier Viscaria. The lighter blade can probably create 50 % more spin than the heavier blade.

As always, video or it didn't happen.

It's not that I don't trust you. It's just that whenever a huge number appears out of thin air, it must be substantiated. Otherwise, it carries no value.

The least you can do is measure the thickness of the blade and ideally record the sound(then do a Fast Fourier Transform of the waveform afterwards) while bouncing a ball up and down the blade, both bare and with same rubbers on.

But it doesn't stop there, the data collected from bouncing a ball could be different from the data collected from an actual play, as shown by the Taiwanese study. The speed alone can be small enough to not show a difference between two blades. It's argued that a harder rubber can produce more spin, yet the prerequisite is that the capability of the player is also higher. So, softer rubber = easier spin, as illustrated in a Yasaka catalog and an Andro pamphlet. It could be that you're not capable of making full use of the heavier Viscaria, leading to your conclusion.

Edited by zeio - 12/08/2016 at 2:54pm

To substantiate my last statement, there was one time back in 2009 when I got the chance to try out the Viscaria for the first time. I was using the Stiga Offensive Wood NCT with old black provincial Hurricane 3(2.2mm) and Nittaku Reforma 2.1mm. The Viscaria had red provincial Hurricane 3(2.1mm), and I think Butterfly Bryce. Weight was unknown, but the Viscaria setup felt substantially heavier. So as scientific as a grain of salt, my first impression on the first loop was that it felt bland, as if it sucked in all the vibrations, when compared to the Stiga vibrator. The next thing I realized the spin was not as strong. I had to put in more effort to get the same power out of a stroke. I kept trying for a few more strokes before I was certain it was harder and required an adjustment to do an equally strong loop.

Then a few years down the road I finally got my own Viscaria and the impressions still hold to this day. For some shots like reaching for the wide forehand, pretty much under the same condition, more often than not my different opponents could return my loop with the Viscaria than with the Offensive Wood NCT. The bottom line? It is harder to make as good a shot with the Viscaria. But is it a universal truth? That's hard to tell.

Edited by zeio - 12/08/2016 at 3:21pm

It might have more to do with the flex than the weight, given that blades are made of wood, i m guessing such variations are common place.

jackwong23 wrote: And unless my eyes tell me lies, I do believe a 85g Viscaria create more topspin than a 90g Viscaria. My lighter Vis has more dwell time and makes the ball dip/curve more.

Then a lighter Viscaria suits you better. That's what matters.

Ho Kwan Kit uses a 84g Custom Viscaria, much lighter than expected. It could be that he feels the same way.

zeio wrote: Ho Kwan Kit uses a 84g Custom Viscaria, much lighter than expected. It could be that he feels the same way.

Yes, most pros use 90+g blades because heavier blades are generally more powerful. DESPITE The better control, it is much more difficult to hit a winner pass your opponents with a lighter blade.