Donic equivalent of Tenergy 05

stancuzi wrote: Got me wondering - How much heavier is MX-P compared to T05???

chop4ever wrote: 2650 rating is not very high, how about Ma Long? Does he change rubber every match? ML's rubber shows evidence of heavily boosting. Why don't you ask the 2600+ guy which booster he has and where he got the H3? Low quality H3 + Falco cause bubble quickly, don't have to be 2000+ player. I could give that guy a new boosted H3 (my chemical), if he could tear the pimple after 1 week, he don't have to pay me anything. If after 1 week the rubber is still good, then it worth to pay me triple price, OK?

PointEngineer wrote: NextLevel wrote: stancuzi wrote: Got me wondering - How much heavier is MX-P compared to T05??? 2.0mm MX-P is the weight of 2.1mm T05.  That was my experience when I used both. Not mine.  MX-P cut is at least couple of grams heavier and going to thinner sponge made almost no difference (<1g).

Edited by NextLevel - 04/16/2017 at 4:50pm

OP, I was not sure from your post, but do you use Tenergy on both sides?
If so, just flip the bat so that your BH side is now the FH.
Also, you don't need rubbers in top condition for normal practice or local league play. New rubbers only needed for tournaments and the practice sessions just before said tournament.

But hey I'll take those two weeks used tenergys any day :)

Interesting. I always disliked hard sponged ESN rubbers in max and used then in 2.0mm on a Yasaka Extra.   The weight was always the same as T05 2.1mm cut to the same blade.

Hi. I use Butterfly Chack 2. When I glue the rubber I line it up at the bottom. I don't stretch it with my hand it all, but I do roll it lightly as I set it on the blade. I also press it for roughly 20 minutes. But I do these things to the 05 FX on my bh and it lasts a lot longer because I don't load my bh near as much as the fh. For whatever reasons (maybe all the years I played golf), I turn my hips well for the FH, but I find it hard to turn my hips left for a strong backhand loop, while in my FH stance (working on it though!) But if I have time I try to play all FHs and only play a bh when I have to.

Edited by gianquittia - 04/16/2017 at 9:34pm

The problem is that all those "equivalent to Tenergy" options are boosted in order to make them play like Tenergy. I have a very hard time believing that those are going to last longer than an unboosted rubber, whether it be Tenergy or something else.  So I don't think that will help the OP with the longevity problem. 


Edited by jfolsen - 04/16/2017 at 10:10pm

Jasonh wrote: chop4ever wrote: Firstly, I do not trust ANY mass production NT H3 blue sponge, that is a HUGE big cheat in this world that we will look back in the near future and be ashamed. There are 3 characteristics I have found in a good H3: (1) must be harder D42 and (2) springy, the topsheet must (3) grippier than Tenergy. "commercial" NT H3 doesn't have good hardness (but noone care, cuz they can't use D42) and also no springy (must be springier than Tenergy). Because the topsheet is not gripy, player try to brush the ball hard. Secondly, Falco booster does the rest to kill H3 much more faster. It looses the glue between sponge and pimples (1). It makes sponge softer and weaker (2). It adds more weight to the rubber (3) pbl 5grs for 1 time to boost.  I could kill a Tenergy topsheet by 2 weeks training only but I can't make bubble after a month using H3. But not any H3! My Reviver can't help to prolong Tenergy life in pro-playing (it even cause sponge breaken if over use) but it could boost up an old dried Tenergy back to fresh. My apologies for not verifying the rubber being genuine or not, I haven't played H3s for a while, and have never used any "blue sponge", cheats or not, the last time I used H3 was with VOC glue (or rubber cement, can't remember). That H3 shown in picture was about $80, fake or not, people are still buying them.  Just a few thoughts: 1. Quality D42+ H3 is already hard to find these days, regular H3 (about $15) has horrible quality control and the tackiness can fade in no time, "Provincial" and "National" orange sponge H3  with even D41+ sponge are as far as I know, hard to find.  2. It remains unverified, but I don't think most professional players are "good enough" to use D42 H3, even after heavily boosted, from what I heard.  3. Forgive my horrible vocabulary but how would you define "springy"? Does it only appear at full-swing topspins? Too bad I have never found a H3 more springy than Tenergy 64.  If you may inform me a method to purchase such awesome H3, I would really appreciate it! :)

The springy feeling is only when you combine it to ALC heavy blade and only when you strike the ball hard enough. By "expensive to be real" NT blue H3, a hard counter attack will result dead ball, means bad spring.

I choose rubber sheet by sheet myself and use my tuning technique, hence it is useless to tell you where or how to get it. But I could prove the "expensive to be genuine" blue (colour) sponge NT H3s are all huge cheat by comparing to the H3 I have. Even my H3 is only close to the standard of actual provincial H3 in China.

 If people feel it good, means their level is the same as that cheating rubber, so IMHO don't waste your money - any Sriver is also good for you.


Edited by chop4ever - 04/17/2017 at 4:05am

In any case, its not because he is using a roller. T05 is actually pretty durable and I used same glue and glue method, more oe less, and never had a rubber die in 60 hours of use.

Tt Gold wrote: jfolsen wrote: The problem is that all those "equivalent to Tenergy" options are boosted in order to make them play like Tenergy. I have a very hard time believing that those are going to last longer than an unboosted rubber, whether it be Tenergy or something else.  So I don't think that will help the OP with the longevity problem.  tenergy gets factory tuned these days as well

Is there any evidence of this? We had a whole thread on how Tenergy plays the same for a very long time, not the hallmarks of a tuned rubber.

I don't think Tenergy is factory tuned, but it does shrink as much or even more than any tensor, and this shrinkage is, I think, what leads people think that it is factory tuned.

mhnh007 wrote: I don't think Tenergy is factory tuned, but it does shrink as much or even more than any tensor, and this shrinkage is, I think, what leads people think that it is factory tuned.

All I can say is this:  I used to move T05 from one Viscaria to another quite a few times without a hitch, starting in about 2008.  I used to regularly detach and reglue because somebody told me that was good for the rubber.  (APW46 I think advised me to do that at least about once per month).  Later, when I was collecting an absurd number of those blades, I would usually put a used rubber on to try it first.  Never had a problem.

This is simply impossible with an Evolution rubber without reboosting it first.  Not ever.  The behaviors of these rubbers (Evolution vs Tenergy) with respect to what happens once you detach them is very very very different. (And I can say this is true using the same glue and gluing technique, in fact in many cases gluing onto the same blade).  It was a very consistent observation.   And I know that Evolution MX-P comes with a lot of factory boosting.

Let's imagine there is some slight shrinkage after you attach a Tenergy.  Some of you guys say it has happened to you, so I am sure you saw what you saw, it is pretty easy to know.  Either the detached rubber fits on your blade again or it doesn't. 

But does that prove it is factory boosted or is there some other possible explanation?  I don't actually know.  I just know that Evolution and Tenergy behave differently with respect to shrinkage, smell, doming out of the package, and stabiliy over time.

Baal wrote: All I can say is this:  I used to move T05 from one Viscaria to another quite a few times without a hitch, starting in about 2008.  I used to regularly detach and reglue because somebody told me that was good for the rubber.  (APW46 I think advised me to do that at least about once per month).  Later, when I was collecting an absurd number of those blades, I would usually put a used rubber on to try it first.  Never had a problem. This is simply impossible with an Evolution rubber without reboosting it first.  The behaviors of these rubbers (Evolution vs Tenergy) with respect to what happens once you detach them is very very very different.  And I know that Evolution MX-P comes with a lot of factory boosting. Let's imagine there is some slight shrinkage after you attach a Tenergy.  Does that prove it is factory boosted or is there some other possible explanation?  I don't actually know.