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    Posted: 07/14/2017 at 7:48am
Hello everyone.

Does anybody have any experience with this rubber? How does it compare to regular H3? How does it react to boosting?

Haven't actually been able to find any decent piece of info on this "new" rubber. The ad text says it is supposed to be faster than the original version.

BTW, it's less than $8 shipped currently which is suspicious, but on the other hand Yinhe Mercury II is a decent rubber at an even lower price. Overall, this one could be a steal if it had #20 sponge.




Edited by al_111 - 07/14/2017 at 8:02am
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The Red package one is said to be extremely tacky.

The Blue package one is similar to the old PF4, a mildly tacky topsheet with a sponge similar to that of H3.
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+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare)
+ Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃)
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The old pf4 as I knew it was very tacky, slow, super hard sponge. I haven't tried it in 15 years though
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Please let me know if I can be of assistance.
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Hiii,
I used old PF4 with blue sponge which was slow, very tacky, too much durable (for almost 7 years and I threw it away finally).

Last year my friend went to china and he bought PF4 with orange sponge in red packaging.
Its  tacky (much less compared to H3N), plays very good as compared to H3N.

My colleague is using it on palio energy 3 and its playing pretty good till now.
I am used to Chinese rubbers like H3N so I dont have adjust my hitting technique, and I feel the rubber is very good for its price.
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It's an excellent rubber! Hardness over 39 degree, slightly tacky, very grippy topsheet, and the New sponge is extremely elastic and boosts very well. Throw angle is medium. Is rather slow, slower than H3 when looping, but due to new sponge quick attack is fast and deadly. Control is also excellent. On balsa blades you can play opening loop with follow up smashing and on faster wooden flexy blades it will be slow but very secure looping machine. Only downside is that the topsheet wears out quickly. But will still last half a year vor so. All in all a more balanced version of H3.

Still on sale on eacheng for 4$ where I bought it.

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Thanks for the feedback. Regarding the blue / red package, all Aliexpress sellers seem to state the rubber inside is actually the same, i.e. the new version.

Hozuki, thank you for sharing your experience! How would you estimate the spin and speed of boosted PF4 New compared to boosted H3? Is it slightly, noticeably, much slower?

avi3230, do you feel that your friend's PF4 fully matches H3 neo in speed? If so, are you speaking about bosted or unboosted rubber?

Again, thanks everyone for your input!
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I used them on entirely different blades so I cannot make a fair comparison. But if you insist, I would say the sponges can be equally fast, but pf4 topsheet performs better handling low forces because smaller pimples while it gets outperformed by h3 when handling high forces. For spinny opening loops maybe pf4 is better but on countertops surely h3 offers better spin and stability. Well it should make sense if you think about it, pf4 is a classic topsheet made for 38mm ball (imagine quick pendhold close table loop and follow up smash style) so no wonder its topsheet can take damage trying to handle a much bigger ball. It really depends on your style and level, I have seen chinese shops label it as easy training version of h3, and I agree, excellent for training proper strokes and for better control but in the end you still should upgrade either to h2 or h3, depening on whether you want lower or higher throw. Maybe H8 for same throw. Have not tried it yet.
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With what you wrote, it looks like I'm just doomed to try it

There seems to be no actual substitute to a well-boosted H3, at least for my game. I have finally ruined my sheet of Nittaku H3 Pro which was the best thing I've ever tried, the Battle II I'm playing with now which is highly praised by a lot of people is nowhere near in terms of dynamics and topsheet quality, the feel on FH is somewhat hollow.

Still, cost-wise Nittaku H3 made me keep it somewhat longer than I actually should have. If this new PF4 will be able to come close to H3 in terms of spin, it would probably be better for me to be able to change the rubber every 3-4 months without waiting for the topsheet to get overboosted and eventually die. A little less speed is not necessarily a bad thing, especially if the sponge reacts well to tuning.
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@al_111
We never boost rubbers. 
H3N is faster than PF4 but not much.

PF4 topspin ball dips more after bounce on table and it has low arc. It becomes difficult to return if u place the ball well.

H3N topspin is much higher arc and bounce at good height but its faster after it bounces on table.

PF4 is better in short game as ball is always low on push or chop.

PF4 is very good if u play near the table most of the time. It absorbs spin of opponent better than H3N.

I am not a expert in table tennis but this is what I felt.

Thank you.
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avi3230, thanks a lot! Your firsthand experience is priceless as there is barely any info on the web regarding new PF4 but short marketing texts. It's especially useful as it comes from a player who uses H3N as his main FH weapon.
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Saw it in the store labelled PF4 40+.

Marketed for the 40+ ball. Excited to try this if it's the same slow hard sponge + control.

Edited by HuLimei - 07/15/2017 at 5:30am
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