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The Hype around the Hype around National H3 |
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zeio
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A quote from 2010. Still true today but to a lesser extent. There are two more paragraphs, one for Provincial and one for Commercial, but nothing new.
DHS have made them available for purchase on their official Taobao shop. National H3 National H3 BS National H3 Neo BS Provincial H3 Provincial H3 BS Gist: They DO exist. Edited by zeio - 08/15/2017 at 10:36pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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bbkon
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what do you mean with rolls? |
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bbkon
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real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3 |
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Fulanodetal
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"real nath3 for cnt is very low throw and bouncy topsheet mild sticky different smell i know that some cnt players have been selling at the worlds real nat H3 for 80$ and some tops were giving away h3"
Where do you get this idea that Nat Hurricane 3 BS are low throw? Have you personally tried them out yourself or is this conjecture? FdT
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zeio
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Like how you roll the dough when making the pizza base. Mizuno Q3: There is also a Japanese program for Butterfly wherein it is briefly shown how the Same for the DHS Institute, where all the CNT custom-made National H3s come from. Industrial setting: Edited by zeio - 12/23/2022 at 11:28am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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BeaverMD
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This doesn't really answer the question "Is National H3 just hype?" Ok, so DHS is in fact making them and (wow, I'm surprised), they actually show what is different about them i.e. denser sponge and of course that DHS (again wow, official statement) makes them for the CNT. But again, as an "outsider", I am not convinced that this rubber is anything special especially when tuning is involved. But hey, if the players that use it enjoy playing with it, I suppose that's what counts.
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zeio
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No, it doesn't. It only proves that people could be relieved of the burden that the hype is based around another hype, hence the title of this thread.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio
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Below is an excerpt from an article published in the 7th volume of Table Tennis World in 2012. The author is Guan Yasong, DHS's Marketing Manager and Product Center Supervisor.
Guan to the left
DHS: The secret behind custom-made is that there is no secret ... TTW: Provincial Hurricane and National Hurricane are always in shortage on the market. Why not increase production volume? DHS: Professionals are very sensitive, even just a little change is enough to cause a distortion on the technical style. The difference in combo rubbers is mostly the tolerance of various parameters. The tolerance for National is the tightest. For Provincial the range is a little larger. Commercial is on a certain level. Combo rubber is a rubber product, as such it is very difficult to assure every parameter is consistent. This is why the yield rates of National and Provincial versions are not as high. If we were to increase volume, it would mean we need to produce many more units to get more National and Provincial versions at those yield rates, which is prohibitive in terms of production capacity. Edited by zeio - 08/18/2017 at 12:58am |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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ashishsharmaait
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I have got some sheets of BS Prov. Boosting the first one.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B2OvJBMREql8OUNuRmY5V2x2Rm8/view?usp=drivesdk |
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please let us know your results with this BS
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zeio
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Ran into this comment a while ago by Yoshihito Miyazaki, JNT's Chief for the Strengthening Division of the National Training Center. Better late than never.
Miyazaki confirmed National H3, the real real deal, is off-limits to the public. @4:57, https://video.fc2.com/en/content/201801089cL3Sb63/ Edited by zeio - 02/18/2018 at 12:12pm |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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bbkon
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unless you have social skills with the chinese coaches. I know that zhou yu coach was selling h3 nat the real deal no white package at the bercy worlds for 80$ the guy who got said it different compared to provincial stuff diffrent smell and sponge texture |
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if anyone is interested in trying out the real deal: http://mytabletennis.net/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=79262&title=highend-blades-dhs-w968-ma-long-combo
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Renol
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The font on the blade seems to be slightly different. Chen Chen from TTD Seller Edited by Renol - 02/21/2018 at 3:50am |
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Blade: DHS Long 5
FH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Provincial) BH: DHS Hurricane 3 Neo (Provincial) |
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bbkon
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yes I know a girl who plays with h3 that his father bought from zhou you's coach at the bercy worlds and her father knows a coach that has friends among chinese coaches. this guy gave me a provincial 729 rubber that was absolutely AMAZING the rubber was inside a simple plastic bag with no name . the h3 bounce almost like a short pips very low arc and has a smell different from normal H3 and FYI ma long can give you some sheets if you re polite abd kind with him. after all in the last days of competition he wont use the 30+ sheets he carries in his bag only lower ranked cnt are checked if they sell their rubber(they must return the worn ones to the coaches? |
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zeio
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That's the story I read also. They have to turn in the old ones to get new ones.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Fulanodetal
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Does boosting affect the throw characteristics on a rubber? I mean you are making the sponge softer. I would think the throw might be affected.
I use unboosted H3. They take a little time to soften after some use. After a week or two they feel awesome, and I don't think the throw is low. Perhaps this low throw you are experiencing is the result of having the H3 Nat heavily boosted?!? It is possible... In any case, even if the H3 BS Nats available for purchase are not exactly like the ones used by the CNT, I gotta say they are the best FH rubbers I have ever tried bar none!! And I will continue to use them. FdT
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Shifu
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Yes boosting lowers throw.
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So what about the BS National Hurricanes on DHS official TaoBao store and on prott? Are they legit or fake? |
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zeio
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Those are legit, but it's likely they're slightly different from the H3 BS National the CNT members get.
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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