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LUCKYLOOP
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There is another possible answer. Plastic balls are susceptible to form change during shipping by high temperatures in the container, truck or even mailbox depending on the amount of exposure. If most of the balls were a problem, that might be a symptom. I don't order any during summer months to be safe. .... Edited by LUCKYLOOP - 09/18/2017 at 8:47am |
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gromousse
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I can't understand how you can say that new D40+ are better balls... they are just shit for me. Heavy sensation, nearly no spin, have to pull the racket like aa hammer to make them go forward... ABS sucks, really. At last, old DHS 40+ had a poor bounce, and poor speed, but they had a minimal range of spin... these new D40+ are horrible, just like the others.
Nittaku premium seems to be by far better, although the bounce is low, but with an adjustment you can deal with it. They have spin too. But ABS
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Baal
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Nittaku Premium is an ABS ball. |
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Has anyone tired the TSP 40+ ball? Who makes it? I had a go with it the other day, and my initial impression was quite good. Descent spin, speed, roundness, feel, and bounce.
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gromousse
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Agree, but really different from the other balls, ABS or not. And really better IMO.
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henningf
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Sounds to me like all the new ABS balls are great (for a while) are there other factories in China than double fish and DHS that make seamed balls?
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Shifu
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Unfortunately a friend who plays really well told me the same, balls from newer batches are worse.
I just checked an older, good ball and a new one. The new ones have a much slimmer seam inside. EDIT: Could it be that TTNPP sells fake balls? The first ones which were good were also bought from TTNPP. Edited by Fabian1890 - 09/24/2017 at 10:50am |
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The world's first, while we're at it. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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zeio
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I suppose the first batches were National D40+? |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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Baal
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That is interesting, suggests there has been a change in how they make the balls. Bear in mind, though, that the Nittaku Premium also has a very very thin seam, so much so that you kind of hold it up to the light to see it. I wonder if they licensed the technology to do that from Nittaku, who have a patent for it. I am glad Fabian posted it because it indicates that there really is something going on here. After seeing this, I went and checked the balls I have. All of the ones that I have that were made in February 2017 have a thicker seam. They are good. Also checked a recent DHS rebrand that a friend of mine brought back from a guy in Europe who plans to distribute them under the label "Red + Black" (not yet ITTF approved). It plays pretty good, also has a thick seam. |
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Just got an order in from ttnpp this week. July mfg date. Definitely thinner seam than previous balls. It is easy to tell if hold a flashlight up to the ball.
I have some made in Feb and May that have the thicker seam. These play fine.(Purchased on aliexpress and paddle palace) I will try out some of the new balls next week. |
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LUCKYLOOP
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Did you get 40+ or D40+ with Ding Ning picture on box ? |
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Shifu
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i got D40+, the new ones.
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Baal
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I am definitely going to be keeping my eyes open about this!
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It is deflating that this only worked out long enough to get Weikert elected. Will monitor as well.
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I like putting heavy topspin on the ball...
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I have purchased fake product from TTNPP before. Usually DHS branded (rubber, balls, etc). I don't think they knowingly sell fakes, it's more likely that they don't purchase directly from DHS but use a middleman or middlemen who sometimes rip them off or get them a deal too good to be true.
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The eBay seller I got the lighter balls from insists that he sold me the original and he gets it directly from DHS.
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LUCKYLOOP
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Can you compare the thin seamed D40+ and a Nittaku Premium 40+ to see if the seams match ? |
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Shifu
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Hard to see but I am pretty sure the NP40+ seam is still a lot slimmer than from the new D40+ |
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Shifu
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Damn, JPEG compression does not help at all here...
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LUCKYLOOP
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Probably, only way to be sure is to cut two balls open for comparison.
Wait until you have broken ones of each. |
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Shifu
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I just cut a NP40+, a D40+ old and new and a 3S 40+ by Andro, will post pics soon
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Shifu
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Here we go:
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book4all
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Wow, thanks a lot!!
Is it easier/possible to quantify the thickness of the seams of old and new D40+?
Edited by book4all - 09/29/2017 at 1:35pm |
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BigFatLoop
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Seems like we are talking about seam "width" (overlap) not "thickness", right?
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book4all
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New D40+ and Andro's are quite close in the color of the plastic material used.
Old D40+ used different materials. Old D40+'s seams are 1/3 or 1/4 wider (instead of "thicker") than new D40+?
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Shifu
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Yeah what we mean is probably overlap, giving a more solid feel
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zeio
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Upload to imgur.com, they don't compress it. |
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Viscaria FL - 91g
+ Neo H3 2.15 Blk - 44.5g(55.3g uncut bare) + Hexer HD 2.1 Red - 49.3g(68.5g 〃 〃) = 184.8g |
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qpskfec
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Something that would be another clue is to weigh both versions of the D40+ to see if there is a difference.
When shining a flashlight from under the ball, the thin seam balls are definitely a brighter white color than the thick seam balls. If they are made of the same material this may mean the thin seam balls are actually lighter. (Could also be just due to normal variances in batches of plastic) NP40 balls are muck darker with a yellow/orange tint under the same conditions. |
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I just got my delivery of balls from TTNPP and they are definitely different than the ones I received from tabletennis11 maybe 6 months ago. The old balls were a very bright white, these new ones are a little off white and the seam is different. I bounced them on the table and the new ones seemed to bounce a bit higher, but there could be variability ball to ball. Haven't gotten a chance to hit with it yet.
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