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I would never ship retail product directly from a factory they are set up to wrap pallets not pull onesies and twosies  "soon we will be shipping straight from our China pro shop"

We are in the process of putting in a club and pro shop
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The only reason I didn't buy at least one blade from zeropong is because it will arrive to Portugal from US.
Almost for sure it would go to portuguese customs where I would have to pay almost the same as the price of the blade (that also happens when it comes from Canada, Taiwan and Japan, and probably from some others coutries outside Europe. When it comes from China usually don't go to customs)
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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

Got my Fire Dragon Touch yesterday at 83g promised by Zeropong customer service, and shaved the head sized down and ended up with an 80g blade.  One thing I noticed is that the Zeropong oval is narrower in the lower half than my Xiom blades because I used a previously mounted sheet of rubber and had to trim a crescent from each side.  I fit the blade with Baracuda and Rasanter R42, both 2.0, and found it to be reasonably fast.  My goal was to go from an off to off+ blade with slower rubber to an off to off- blade with more aggressive rubbers to see if it resulted in greater dwell time and as a result, more spin.  I only played a short time with it, so the jury's still out, but it's got possibilities, although it's going to take a stroke adjustment.


Rich, what tools do you use for shaving off some small portion of a blade?
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I used 100 grit and 220 grit sandpaper and a sanding block, also a flat file to clean up the sides.  See my reply on this question on page 2 of this thread. 

I was also fortunate to come upon an opportunity on Paddle Palace where they were closing out Xiom Hyabusa Z+'s at $88.95, and they were all lighter than 81 grams.  I grabbed one at 78g, as it is close in performance to the Hyabusa Zxi, my favorite all time blade, and the weight savings allowed me to try Rasanter R47 as a BH alternative to Adidas P7 without exceeding my customary build weight of 165 grams.  I'm very happy I found the Z+!!!  There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.
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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.

The whole Hyabusa series has been discontinued. A real shame I think, they were nice blades.
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Originally posted by haggisv haggisv wrote:

Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.

The whole Hyabusa series has been discontinued. A real shame I think, they were nice blades.


Very much a shame. Although I first ridiculed the appearance, I settled on the Hayabusa Zi as my blade of choice. My third one arrived in the mail today.
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Yes, a real shame about the Hyabusa series.  My Zxi has the most amazing tactile feedback of any blade I've ever tried.  I was fortunate to get one at 81g, and it was tough to find them that light.  I was hopeful the Vega Tour would be the same animal, but it wasn't.  Then I started watching the new Feel series with great anticipation, but at least on the initial release, the blade weights on the ZX2 and ZX3 were around 87-88g, too heavy for me.

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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

I used 100 grit and 220 grit sandpaper and a sanding block, also a flat file to clean up the sides.  See my reply on this question on page 2 of this thread. 

I was also fortunate to come upon an opportunity on Paddle Palace where they were closing out Xiom Hyabusa Z+'s at $88.95, and they were all lighter than 81 grams.  I grabbed one at 78g, as it is close in performance to the Hyabusa Zxi, my favorite all time blade, and the weight savings allowed me to try Rasanter R47 as a BH alternative to Adidas P7 without exceeding my customary build weight of 165 grams.  I'm very happy I found the Z+!!!  There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.


I am surprised that you mention Rasanter R47/42 as relatively fast rubbers - two weeks ago I was given an almost pristine R47 and it is quite slow. Very good spin, nice control but heavy and slow.
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There is no company that discontinues blades faster than Xiom.  If you find one you like you better stock up.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

I used 100 grit and 220 grit sandpaper and a sanding block, also a flat file to clean up the sides.  See my reply on this question on page 2 of this thread. 

I was also fortunate to come upon an opportunity on Paddle Palace where they were closing out Xiom Hyabusa Z+'s at $88.95, and they were all lighter than 81 grams.  I grabbed one at 78g, as it is close in performance to the Hyabusa Zxi, my favorite all time blade, and the weight savings allowed me to try Rasanter R47 as a BH alternative to Adidas P7 without exceeding my customary build weight of 165 grams.  I'm very happy I found the Z+!!!  There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.


I am surprised that you mention Rasanter R47/42 as relatively fast rubbers - two weeks ago I was given an almost pristine R47 and it is quite slow. Very good spin, nice control but heavy and slow.

R47 is certainly faster than P7.  Then again, it all depends on what blade you're putting it on.
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I currently use the Fire Hinoki blade. Great feel and speed on the table and at mid distance with little to no vibration. It has both speed and control. I've read the specs on Butterfly Garaydia and this blade has a very similar construction. It's got the two thick cypress outer plys which give it a nice bounce with medium feel. I'm sure short pip attack players would like this blade as well. I'm a two wing looper and really like the balance you get from cypress and carbon layers. I have the control to loop slow with spin and power to loop kill.

We have a few other guys in the club that use it and love it. One guy is a Seemiller player with OX long pips(2050) and the other is two wing looper with smooth both sides. 


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I really like the Fire Dragon Touch. Really good looping blade for the price.
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What about the handles? Kind of thin?
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Blade is just right for me, but I have small hands. I have the straight blade and it is almost the same width and shape as the straight yinhe LQ-1 you sell. The LQ-1 is slightly longer.
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Yes, the handle little thin compare to my Butterfly Zhang Jike alc but after I wrapped the handle it become very comfortable
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The straight is better than the flared
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Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

I used 100 grit and 220 grit sandpaper and a sanding block, also a flat file to clean up the sides.  See my reply on this question on page 2 of this thread. 

I was also fortunate to come upon an opportunity on Paddle Palace where they were closing out Xiom Hyabusa Z+'s at $88.95, and they were all lighter than 81 grams.  I grabbed one at 78g, as it is close in performance to the Hyabusa Zxi, my favorite all time blade, and the weight savings allowed me to try Rasanter R47 as a BH alternative to Adidas P7 without exceeding my customary build weight of 165 grams.  I'm very happy I found the Z+!!!  There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.


I am surprised that you mention Rasanter R47/42 as relatively fast rubbers - two weeks ago I was given an almost pristine R47 and it is quite slow. Very good spin, nice control but heavy and slow.

R47 is certainly faster than P7.  Then again, it all depends on what blade you're putting it on.


It always depends on the blade, of course - but not when you are using the same blade to compare two different rubbers. R47 was to me noticeably slower - on the same blade - than Rasant Grip, than T-80FX, Tibhar Aurus or KTL Red Diamond Mechanical / Black Power Mechanical. More than that - I got the same info from two other people who played with it before me.
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Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

Originally posted by JimT JimT wrote:

Originally posted by Rich L Rich L wrote:

I used 100 grit and 220 grit sandpaper and a sanding block, also a flat file to clean up the sides.  See my reply on this question on page 2 of this thread. 

I was also fortunate to come upon an opportunity on Paddle Palace where they were closing out Xiom Hyabusa Z+'s at $88.95, and they were all lighter than 81 grams.  I grabbed one at 78g, as it is close in performance to the Hyabusa Zxi, my favorite all time blade, and the weight savings allowed me to try Rasanter R47 as a BH alternative to Adidas P7 without exceeding my customary build weight of 165 grams.  I'm very happy I found the Z+!!!  There haven't been any ZXi's available for some time.


I am surprised that you mention Rasanter R47/42 as relatively fast rubbers - two weeks ago I was given an almost pristine R47 and it is quite slow. Very good spin, nice control but heavy and slow.

R47 is certainly faster than P7.  Then again, it all depends on what blade you're putting it on.


It always depends on the blade, of course - but not when you are using the same blade to compare two different rubbers. R47 was to me noticeably slower - on the same blade - than Rasant Grip, than T-80FX, Tibhar Aurus or KTL Red Diamond Mechanical / Black Power Mechanical. More than that - I got the same info from two other people who played with it before me.
I think you misunderstood me.  I have been using P7 on my Zxi.  I Put R47 on a Z+.  At no time did I try them both on one blade. It would've made my Zxi heavier than I wanted.  My motive in trying R47 on the Z+ was to try to replicate the performance of the P7 on my BH of my Zxi.  In my opinion, the R47 didn't act the same.  The ball felt very direct off the rubber, where with the P7, I felt the more dwell time, more of an absorption of the ball followed by a release.  It is evident that I need to look for a different rubber, perhaps something a bit softer than 47 degree sponge, although P7 was supposed to be 47.  Victas 402 Limber and Evolution FX-S are considerations.
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