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    Posted: 10/18/2017 at 8:22pm
Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Have you tried the new DHS D40+?  I'm wondering from a pips perspective how it fares compared to the NP 40+?

I have played it once or twice.. Seemed similar to some of the other seamless balls to me.. Didn't notice any major difference.. From the Seamless ones, I actualy like the Xushaofa the best. JOOLA ball is pretty decent too but I'm getting the best results with new Nittaku Premium 40+..



D40+ is not seamless.


I wasn't sure.. It was a while since Iast used it.. I usually play Nittaku Premium or Xushoafa ball.. Most tournaments in my area use Nittaku Premiun..
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Have you tried the new DHS D40+?  I'm wondering from a pips perspective how it fares compared to the NP 40+?

I have played it once or twice.. Seemed similar to some of the other seamless balls to me.. Didn't notice any major difference.. From the Seamless ones, I actualy like the Xushaofa the best. JOOLA ball is pretty decent too but I'm getting the best results with new Nittaku Premium 40+..



D40+ is not seamless.
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Nittaku Premium 40+ was used in the 2017 World Championships.

Butterfly A40+ will be used in 2018 World Championships.

The US could rotate the ball used every other year like the World Championships, maybe Butterfly A40+ for 2018.
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Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Interesting, another of my friends who play a similar style to yours (not your level, only 1900 or so) likes the Butterfly better than the NP 40+.  That's why I was curious.  Thanks
Butterfly ball plays ok. The first generation of them was not great but they improved the ball..
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Interesting, another of my friends who play a similar style to yours (not your level, only 1900 or so) likes the Butterfly better than the NP 40+.  That's why I was curious.  Thanks
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Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Have you tried the new DHS D40+?  I'm wondering from a pips perspective how it fares compared to the NP 40+?
I have played it once or twice.. Seemed similar to some of the other seamless balls to me.. Didn't notice any major difference.. From the Seamless ones, I actualy like the Xushaofa the best. JOOLA ball is pretty decent too but I'm getting the best results with new Nittaku Premium 40+..


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Have you tried the new DHS D40+?  I'm wondering from a pips perspective how it fares compared to the NP 40+?
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Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I prefer the Nittaku Premium.. It's also the thinnest of all the plastic balls, measuring barely above 40 mm while some of the seamless balls are like 40.30 mm... Smaller size = more spin..



That might be true when they are new, but as they age, as slick as they become, I suspect they have less spin than the seamless balls.  We have a lot of them running around our club that are so shinny, they would have been discarded in the 38 mm days.  Of course at the price they charge they are still in use now.

Agreed.. The Nittaku Premium get very slick when they are used a lot, resulting in less spin.. However, a brand new Nittaku Premium 40+ seems to have more spin than any other 40+ ball when new. 
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Originally posted by Pushblocker Pushblocker wrote:

I prefer the Nittaku Premium.. It's also the thinnest of all the plastic balls, measuring barely above 40 mm while some of the seamless balls are like 40.30 mm... Smaller size = more spin..



That might be true when they are new, but as they age, as slick as they become, I suspect they have less spin than the seamless balls.  We have a lot of them running around our club that are so shinny, they would have been discarded in the 38 mm days.  Of course at the price they charge they are still in use now.
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I prefer the Nittaku Premium.. It's also the thinnest of all the plastic balls, measuring barely above 40 mm while some of the seamless balls are like 40.30 mm... Smaller size = more spin..


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The Stiga 40+ is used by 2 clubs in the German Bundesliga League.

Where can you buy it ?
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Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

Oh, now I get it.  So this is another I hate Butterfly, or in this case Nittaku, because "The price for their product is just too high in MY opinion" threads.

Got you, moving on now, nothing to see here.


mts388 said It's time you let this thread die.

Let's not be bitter with personal attacks, I just use the facts !!

I am not trying to embarrass you if you appear to be an easy Mark for Nittaku balls if more money than brains.

The Joola Flash 40+ *** is the ball of choice in England for 2017-18.

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Originally posted by BH-Man BH-Man wrote:


I think one can very quickly adjust to any ball with a consistent bounce and roundness that stays that way.

How many of these unicorns actually exist in 2017?

i enjoy the NP40 AND D40+ balls.  is it because they don't dent?
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It's time you let this thread die.
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Oh, now I get it.  So this is another I hate Butterfly, or in this case Nittaku, because "The price for their product is just too high in MY opinion" threads.

Got you, moving on now, nothing to see here.
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FYI the US economy is the largest in the world but the USATT membership is one of the lowest for tt associations for countries half the size of the US or even much smaller. The USA probably has well over 100,000 fairly serious hobby type club players.

The Nittaku Ball is well established in clubs across the USA. The quality of the ball is not disputed only the Price to the consumer or
regular club or recreation center participants.

What is the mission of the USATT ? Is it best served by allowing Nittaku to supply free balls for the US Open & Nationals every year ?
The World championships, Asian championships, don't use the same brand of ball every year.






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Originally posted by Baal Baal wrote:

Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

One other note, the cost of the balls used in tournaments pales in comparison to the cost for the venue to hold the tournament, at least if you have to rent somewhere large enough to hold the event.  This is especially true for large events, like Joola's or Butterfly team events, or the Nationals/Open.


But if a manufacturer is providing additional forms of sponsorship, the least you can do is use their balls.

Yep, I agree.  And just like all the rule changes we have gone thru in this sport, change for change sake is not always a good/wise thing to do.

Even at a $1 per ball difference (which I doubt it is for large sponsored tournaments), the cost is nothing compared to the cost of the venue.  

If lucky's real issue/complaint is that people at his club expect you to use/supply them with expensive balls since that is what they think is "the best", and what will be used in major tournaments.   That is another matter, it has to be addressed locally.  It is akin to peer pressure.  If someone is wearing brand 1 then everyone wants to wear brand 1.  This I can sympathize with, but it is a separate thing than what should be used at the Nationals/Open.
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Originally posted by 1dennistt 1dennistt wrote:

One other note, the cost of the balls used in tournaments pales in comparison to the cost for the venue to hold the tournament, at least if you have to rent somewhere large enough to hold the event.  This is especially true for large events, like Joola's or Butterfly team events, or the Nationals/Open.


But if a manufacturer is providing additional forms of sponsorship, the least you can do is use their balls.
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So far Nittaku is the best ball I've tried, so if I were to vote (and I didn't because I'm no national player) I would vote to stay with.  I certainly play the best with them personally.
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One other note, the cost of the balls used in tournaments pales in comparison to the cost for the venue to hold the tournament, at least if you have to rent somewhere large enough to hold the event.  This is especially true for large events, like Joola's or Butterfly team events, or the Nationals/Open.
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And South Bend tournament in Indiana is using the G40+, so is the Vernon Hills Giant RR.
Knoxville used the Gambler ball in their last tournament I think.
and Aurora IL is using 40 mm white 3-star PLASTIC XuShaofa balls in their tournament.

There are others I saw using the Nittaku also.  

My perspective:  The point being that no one decides what ball each tournament is going to use except for the Tournament Organizers and their sponsors.  If that tournament is able to secure balls at a reasonable cost (or free) from a sponsor, they wind us evening out the cost for acquiring the balls.  In other cases a tournament will use whatever brand is popular locally with their players.  If the majority of players in a certain local choose Nittaku or Butterfly, then that is probably what the tournament is going to use.  They will just make up the cost in the entry fee, or through sponsorship.

If the people running the tournament are pinching pennies, they will use whichever ball they can get the cheapest.  This is probably more true for local events, than for events trying to pull players from a larger area.
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Originally posted by gosm92 gosm92 wrote:

i tried joola flash,so far the best ball,round,doesn't brake often,not as hard as other,good bounce


Will be used at the World Veteran Championships June 2018

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i tried joola flash,so far the best ball,round,doesn't brake often,not as hard as other,good bounce
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Ball: Nittaku Premium 40+

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For league matches at the club level what I have been told is that is determined by the local club, I'm not up to date on what's used after that.
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The United Kingdom has a similar standard of living and english speaking compared to the USA. The UK has about 26,000+ members compared to 8,000 for the USA.

What brands of ball do they use in their league system ?
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

[QUOTE=LUCKYLOOP]
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Therefore, based on usage by the professionals, there are other quality balls available that could be used in the US Open and US Nationals and even smaller independently sanctioned US Tournaments.


You really don't know how sponsorship works, do you?
  

I think he just has a lot of free time and likes to start never ending useless threads.
A sanctioned tournament can use whatever ball they choose to as long as it’s ITTF and USATT approved. There is no secret ball police traveling around the country taking club and tournament directors into a dark room telling them to use Ball A, B, or C. I’m not really sure why it would even matter to you since you have stated previously that you are in favor of playing non competitive matches where winning and losing isn’t relevant anyway.



My premises with statements are based on factual data while you are making unsubstantiated statements to support your arguments.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


Summary

Therefore, based on usage by the professionals, there are other quality balls available that could be used in the US Open and US Nationals and even smaller independently sanctioned US Tournaments.

You really don't know how sponsorship works, do you?
  

I think he just has a lot of free time and likes to start never ending useless threads.

I gave up on trying to find rationale behind posts of some prolific forum participants. They exist in every forum and sometimes it's best to just ignore some of the posts and posters - changing someone's mind is next to impossible in my experience.
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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

[QUOTE=LUCKYLOOP]
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Therefore, based on usage by the professionals, there are other quality balls available that could be used in the US Open and US Nationals and even smaller independently sanctioned US Tournaments.


You really don't know how sponsorship works, do you?
  

I think he just has a lot of free time and likes to start never ending useless threads.
A sanctioned tournament can use whatever ball they choose to as long as it’s ITTF and USATT approved. There is no secret ball police traveling around the country taking club and tournament directors into a dark room telling them to use Ball A, B, or C. I’m not really sure why it would even matter to you since you have stated previously that you are in favor of playing non competitive matches where winning and losing isn’t relevant anyway.

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Originally posted by liXiao liXiao wrote:

Originally posted by LUCKYLOOP LUCKYLOOP wrote:


Summary

Therefore, based on usage by the professionals, there are other quality balls available that could be used in the US Open and US Nationals and even smaller independently sanctioned US Tournaments.

You really don't know how sponsorship works, do you?
  

I think he just has a lot of free time and likes to start never ending useless threads.


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