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slimrunner
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Posted: 10/27/2017 at 11:55am |
I've tried this blade 1 time and I feel very very interesting. But it is to expensive, then I looking for something cheaper, and similar.
Thanks for all suggestion.
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assam
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You may have some from OSP (Virtuoso or Virtuoso +) but they are not cheap either
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BRS
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Buy a used one on the for sale board. I just got one from joeb and i believe a seller in europe has an even cheaper one with a small ding for sale now with worldwide shipping available. There is really no reason to buy a blade new unless it just came out.
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arg0
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Among the many blades I've tested, Nexy Peterpan comes the closest (even closer than OSP Virtuoso(+)).
One difference is that Peterpan is more centre-balanced, while Acoustic is rather head-heavy. If you prefer a similarly head-heavy blade, consider Nittaku Latika. It's a bit stiffer that Acoustic, but overall rather close. Another option may be Nittaku Kasumi Basic (Latika is an oversize version of Kasumi Basic): due to an infortunate name, the Kasumi Basic never got the attention it deserved. Edited by arg0 - 10/27/2017 at 2:38pm |
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h0n1g
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Yeah Peterpan is very close.
To me, the Latika felt pretty different to be honest thou |
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Dr.Cho
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I wonder if these violin blades are different just because of the Hide Glue Inside
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arg0
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I'm not aware of any evidence that Nittaku use hide glue: they claim the technique used is similar to the production of string instruments, not the glue. And nowadays hide glue is no longer commonly used for producing string instruments. For a full discussion, see my latest posts in the Acoustic Clan thread, starting here.
If you have any insight, I'd love to know. Please post it there! Actually, there would be an easy way to know, but it implies heating up a violin up to the melting point of hide glue, which would destroy the blade. Anyone has a broken Acoustic or Violin they want to sacrifice for advancing knowledge? |
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arg0
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BTW, AFAIK hide glue cannot be used for carbon layers, so I bet Acoustic Carbon / Violin Carbon use epoxy glue or similar, at least for the carbon layers.
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arg0
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Yeah, actually, my memory probably failed me: Latika is probably more similar to Tenor, or in-between. Only played once with it (too head-heavy). |
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Dr.Cho
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Pretty sure Hide glue is what is used in these violin blades, like in a classic violin.
Hide glue apparently never fully hardens so it stays flexible I would like to hear from someone who plays with one, can you tell the difference? |
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Kolev
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I was expecting my Latika to be head heavy, but it is actually very well balanced for an offensive wood. Few club mates tried it and none of them mentioned head heaviness. Lovely blade
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JacekGM
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1) A major part of a gluing technique must be the type of glue used... time, temperature, humidity, pressure, and drying conditions are other elements. 2) Be it as it may, hide glue or a specific different type of glue, how would this knowledge change anything as related to the present topic? All someone might need to argue would be that the glue should be the same glue as used in the Acoustic (or maybe not...).
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(1) Juic SBA (Fl, 85 g) with Bluefire JP3 (red max) on FH and 0.6 mm DR N Desperado on BH; (2) Yinhe T7 (Fl, 87 g) with Bluefire M3 (red 2.0) on FH and 0.6 mm 755 on BH.
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jonyer1980
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Im very pleased with my downgraded from RWV to Acoustic which is indeed slower but easier to use overally. However, if you still agree regular Latina is a bit faster with better FL handle and not as head heavy it might be also my blade.
Apart from regular Latika, there's also Carbon which is really expensive and Light or even 7. How about latika 7? No one talked about it. |
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Dr.Cho
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A Simple google search will tell you most... if not all these violin blades were made with Hide glue.
I believe this Is the reason for the extra cost also as hide is more time consuming to work with and makes these blades special. Also on a side note Stradivarius used hide when making violins as did lots of expensive guitar makers. Don't believe me ...do your own research. |
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arg0
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I did, and I could not find any trustworthy source, just rumours and hearsay. Do you have any reliable source? I translated pages from the Nittaku catalog from JP to EN, but found no evidence of use of hide glue. I asked Nittaku but got no reply. The handle of my Violin got detached after a fall, and I repaired it with hide glue. It was not an easy process, and using hide glue industrially for producing laminated wood must be a nightmare. I suppose that if they did, the Nittaku "strings" blades would cost even more. But there is liquid hide glue, and it may be well possible that Nittaku use that. It does not have the same properties as "normal" hide glue, though. Anyway, as I said there is only one way to know: take an Acoustic or Violin, and heat it up to 55-60 C. If there's hide glue, it will melt and the layers will come apart. If they don't, it's not hide glue. Anyone brave enough? If anyone has a broken Violin or Acoustic, let me know. Sorry for the OT. PS: hide glue does not stay flexible, it crystallises and becomes hard and brittle when cured. This hardness transmit vibrations very well, a flexible glue layer would dampen vibrations. If you make a drop of hot hide glue, let it cure and then hit it with a hammer: the drop will shatter. Liquid hide glue doesn't dry to that brittle hardness. A drop of Titebond 1 (original) will also shatter; Titebond 2 (premium) and 3 (ultimate) remain somewhat flexible. |
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arg0
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Quite the opposite, read my previous post. |
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Dr.Cho
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Of Course Nittaku didn't reply.
Just like Butterfly keeps some of their woods secret. They aren't going to release proprietary info. If you repaired your violin with hide you already know the truth. You can lead a horse to water. Believe what you want ... I'm out |
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arg0
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I did repair it with hide glue because it was the safest choice.
What I or you believe may or may not be the truth. Adiós. |
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