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TT newbie
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I decided to get a shakehand blade which comes close to BTY Arylate-Carbon blades like TBS or Viscaria. I will use Rakza 7 BH and Fastarc G-1 FH.
However I don´t want to spend a small fortune in any of those expensive BTY blades, so I´m looking for a cheaper alternative with same characteristics. So far I listed: - Andro Treiber Z - Donic Ovtch. True Carbon - Donic Baum Esprit - Xiom Stradivarius - DHS Fang Bo Carbon Which one (or something else) would you guys recommend?
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Simon_plays
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Someone's going to say Yinhe V-14 though I've never tried it. It's only 30 pounds new on eBay...
The Baum Esprit looks best value for money to me and it did get good reviews when it first came out. I wonder if anyone has played with it for a few months and what they think of it. |
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AMonteiro
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Donic Ovtcharov True Carbon for only 62 Euros (Promo) at TT11 is your best choice.
The ones I tried, Triber Z is a lot thicker and faster. Baum is very low quality and light. Stradi is harder compared to Viscaria and TBS.
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Dynaryz AGR /Yasaka Goiabao 5 / Dynaryz AGR
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jfolsen
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I will speak to my own experience with the DHS Fang Bo 2 (carbon). My normal blade is a TB ALC, flared.
1. The Fang Bo has a bigger head. While the weight if the raw blade wasn't much more than the ALC (a couple of grams), once I put similar rubber on both sides the extra weight was noticeable. 2. The blade had a bit less speed than the ALC, possibly due to the carbon layers not being as close to the outside. 3. No issues with spin or control. 4. Fit and finish was really good, not quite up to a Butterfly level, but no issues or complaints. 5. The handle is a bit thinner than an ALC. Hope that helps. I have no direct experience with the other blades on your list. |
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rocketman222
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I am very sure you have done your own homework, but if you want to be under budget, my best bet would be to get a Clipper CR, it can do everything that the ALC blades do and more, and is a bargain at 40$ at dandoy-sports.
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piligrim
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Stradivarius doesn't play similar to TBS or Viscaria. it much slower and harder and different feeling. totally different then ALC blades
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asifgunz
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I have Donic Ovtcharov true carbon and Fang Bo ALC ( not really a viscaria, but a Long 5 alternative)
Let me know if you want the OTC. Im just a PM away. I have a flared and another ST.
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https://m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32728475716.html?spm=a2g0n.search-cache.0.0.6f8d4fb0NrtDUg#autostay
XVT ALC blade..about $24 shipped Edited by the_theologian - 12/27/2017 at 1:26am |
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Appelgren Allplay ST / Vega Europe max
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watchout a friend bought a carbo 7.6 at discount from dandoy that should have been faster than a clipper but the 7.6 was very slow and dull |
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Snakefish
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The Andro Treiber Z is not ALC, so it wouldn't be a fair comparison. But it is faster than TBS,Viscaria or TB-ALC. The hinoki outer-ply feels sweet when playing Donic Ovtch True Carbon is the closest to Viscaria. The plies are the same and the thickness is very same. Even the shoulder/neck curves are the same as I can feel the similarity when held in my hand with eyes closed. The OTC feels and plays the same as Viscaria except one noticeable difference, it's just a little bit faster than Viscaria. I don't know why. I personally feel better playing with OTC, if forced to choose The Fang Bo 2 Carbon is stiffer than Viscaria, TBS or TB-ALC. On fast offensive shots, it kicks in. However, on passive shots or touch shots it's slower and great control. Easy to block. Skinny handle not for everyone. Cant argue with the price. Haven't tried the other two blades. |
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Andro Treiber Z - fl
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6Finger
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Galaxy/Yinhe Venus 14 blade is my recommendation as Bty Alc blades substitute.
35$ on AliExpress. Blade quality is superb, head size is same as of Bty blades 157*150mm and handle is like a mixture of Viscaria and TB ALC blades, quite suitable for people with larger hands. |
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Butterfly is butterfly, just like nothing can be a true replacement for the Tenergy rubbers, nothing can truly be a replacement for the butterfly blades. I've come to know this after spending a lot of time and money. So if you like TBS/Viscaria/TB ALC or any other butterfly blade just go ahead and buy it instead of trying different blades and wasting money when ultimately you will come back to butterfly blade. |
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Hi, I can recommend Sanwei F3 old version. It has Innerforce-like structure , but plays more like a TB ALC. My piece was 86 gramm and it was the heaviest one in the shop, 30 EUR shipped. It has virtually little to no vibration. I have also tried XVT ALC. This was 84 gramm, had some vibration, relatively stiff, as the carbon lies directly after the outer koto layer. Harder than TB ALC, IF ALC, Viscaria and Maze. Probably close to ZJ ALC, at least it pretends to have the same as original "dragon" design. My question - what china blades could be a replacement in some extent to IF ALC or have the same structure ? Sanwei F3 old is not a bad choice at all, but I wish it would be slower. Somewhat between TB ALC( too fast for me, although I have played for years with it) and Tibhar Stratus Carbon (too slow, too much vibration)? Any help appreciated.
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TT newbie
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I saw F3 (old version) is 7.1mm thickness. Isn´t it too fast compared to TB ALC? Would you say it plays like old Iolite, soft and stiff? Or not that stiff?
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dajdosta
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I recommend Gewo Force ARC.
Unknown blade that plays great imo. Not as head heavy and more versatile than Stradivarius. People say it plays similar to TB ALC. |
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bbkon
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you re a fanboy seversl players i know are happy playing with rosewood 7 after using butterfly equipment |
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mon22
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Butterfly is the Rolex of blades
My dad has had his Datejust for over 20 years now Say he bought it for $5,000 ( $5,000/20 years = $250 a year) My uncle on the other hand, buys other Sub $200-500 watch brands and gets a new watch 2-3x a year (that could be over $250 a year) Two very different personalities My point is if you're going to stick with one blade for a long time, Why not invest in something that gives you a higher return rate/value? Money is money, you can always get more :P If you're an EJ then buy different blades, like me! I don't have a Rolex hahahaha |
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ohwell
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I wonder if Baal still recommends True Carbon as a more affordable Viscaria alternative. I haven't A/B's them, so I can't compare; but the True Carbon is a very nice blade IMO.
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bbkon
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I bought a flarestorm 2 and lasted 3 months a primorac carbon that has splintered looks like you have rolex knockoffs or a hard core butterfly fanboy ,you better buy nittaku blades they have better finish Edited by bbkon - 12/27/2017 at 5:24pm |
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unstopabl3
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Not really a butterfly fan boy but I have enough experience to know what a quality product is and I rather spend once than trying different blades and spending a higher amount which I could have saved. P.S I have about 7 different carbon blades from different brands and nothing plays or feels as good as the butterfly timo boll alc blade. |
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MindTrip
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True the Treiber Z is different than the stated Butterfly blades (Hinoki vs. Koto, Thickness, Z material vs. ALC), but I would still recommend it over the Butterfly blades in performance and value for an offensive player. Performance-wise, it loops most like my Freitas ALC having a high arc while control looping. When loop driving, the arc is definitely lower and has the speed of a TB ZLC or ZJ ZLC. The most amazing part though (for me anyway) is that I can get an abundance of power away from the table, yet still block, push and lightly touch the ball with sooo much control when near the net. Like a blade with 2 personalities. It's my main blade w/ T05 for the 2018 season.
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Apolonia ZLC
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Lightzy
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Treiber K.
It's not aralyte perhaps but I think it's a good choice. More appropriate than the treiber z. Or try one of the new dhs blades which are of remarkable quality and low cost Edited by Lightzy - 12/27/2017 at 9:22pm |
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Saitama
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true carbon is the most butterfly alc like blade that i tried.. 😄
fang bo feels different. Edited by Saitama - 12/27/2017 at 11:51pm |
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HarmonicTT
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Sanwei f3 pro
Currently using mxp and elp it's a beast. Spins and smashes well Deadly short or long pushes Flicks are great if you know how to lol Also it's a innerforce alc clone. Alc is closer to the core and it's a 5 ply wood + 2 ply alc |
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HarmonicTT
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True carbon is harder and stiffer. Long v is much better the new version. Most control and power on impact. Also xiom zetro quad is good. If a blade is really that bad sure then buy one and work on your technique to adjust to it. When I first started I blamed bad rubbers or the blade but as I learned it's all about your technique unless you really do have shitty rubbers lol
Stradivarious is alittle too hard and little dwell also no feeling lol Lets see what else Xiom zetro quad with fxp/elp or mxp Long v h3 neo/t05 or mxp or omega v tour/rasant grip Xiom Vega tour map or mxs/elp or fxp If you want all wood but fast sanwei v5 pro is good too with mxs and elp It's a violin clone but faster or similar sorry Mizuno fortius ft with mxp both sides or elp bh Xiom offensive s Xiom extreme s |
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HarmonicTT
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Lol that's what you think man tt newbie but not everyone has the same mindset also butterfly is pricey because of popularity. If there was no hype nor buyers than sure they'd foreclose or sell for cheap. It's because people like you who praise them soo highly continue to buy them. Because they know even if they charge an x amount of dollars it'll only take one person to keep it going lol
Also it's like overpriced items vs the same quality elsewhere that's not being a cheap ass it's being practical and realistic |
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HarmonicTT
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Also timo boll alc is such a overhyped blade. The best blades if that are the mj zlc, ai fukuhara zlf, liu shiewen zlf, garaydia alc, apolonia zlc, amultart zlc, and a few others
Timo boll alc lacks alot compared to other blades I'd buy another long v any day or a zetro quad hell even nexy has good blades why has no one mentioned nexy lol.... Oscar, kenaph, arrirang, qabod, etc |
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thibhar paul drinkhall Gewo force arc off
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I'm no longer an EJ and I'm proud .
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this thread about Arylate-Carbon blade alternative. all blades you mentioned are not Arylate-Carbon blades exept Long v |
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taczkid
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If you want ALC, simply you have to get butterfly (something like Viscaria, Spirit o TB ALC) are simply superior and no other ALC blades on the market come even close. I mean blade is something you invest and can have it for many years to come or even whole life. If you buy something cheaper (that is advertised similar to Butterfly ALC blades) you will quickly realize that you will spend 60$ on one blade, you wont like it, you will buy another cheap one for 50$ or so and sooner or later you will already spend more than new viscaria/TB alc etc.
I know they are a bit pricey but you get what you pay for. They are simply the best blades on the market when it comes to ALC. I would simply save up some money and get Viscaria or TB ALC. Consider it as long time investment! |
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