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    Posted: 01/19/2018 at 5:37pm
I have been playing long pips on the side for the last couple of weeks and hence been researching LP techniques with help of club members like nathanso. I found this a good read.

https://medium.com/@ttdementor/https-medium-com-ttdementor-https-medium-com-ttdementor-playing-long-pimples-21483b9c938
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Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

I have been playing long pips on the side for the last couple of weeks and hence been researching LP techniques with help of club members like nathanso. I found this a good read.

https://medium.com/@ttdementor/https-medium-com-ttdementor-https-medium-com-ttdementor-playing-long-pimples-21483b9c938


Most of the stuff listed may be good for passive LP'ers.  I'm an aggressive LP'er OX with hard pips.  My bat is very closed on most hits (looping stroke) of topspin or backspin balls.  I'm working on chop blocking more which is hard for me to do because of my aggressive style of play.  I know that becoming a good chop blocker will really improve my game so it's something I have to do. 
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That's a good article.
I use Dawei 388D-1 OX.  (Very cheap.)

(1)  If I want the pips of the LP rubber to be able to "bend", I need to keep my rubber relatively new (while the pips are soft, thus easy to bend) - like replacing it every 4-6 months, if not sooner. (Cost is no problem, only about $5 a sheet.)

(2)  If I want to get greater "reversal", I need to keep using it for years and years, when the pips are "aged" and thus hardened - and lost friction.

Man I can not have it both ways.  Can only go one direction.
Which way is better for me? I don't know.



Edited by skip3119 - 01/19/2018 at 11:57pm
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With the old ball I found aged/slicker pips provided an advantage when chopping due to the higher reversal, although dealing with no spin became more difficult. 

With the new ball, I personally have found that slicker type pips in OX that have some tack to them when new actually give the best results because they still reverse well but the tack allows you to add some spin on your chop/chop blocks. There isn't enough reversal on passive blocks using OX LP anymore to trouble any decent players so that strategy is dead for me, although there are Anti Spin rubbers that can still make that game effective (but the angle of blocking with Anti is the opposite to LP and it is difficult to retrain your brain and muscle memory to keep a more open bat face based on higher levels of incoming spin).

The small amount of tack/grip also makes rolling/attacking the ball off pushes easier when the opponent stops looping for fear of the reversal that might come back. You can also keep serve returns shorter, just behind the net to avoid 3rd ball attacks off serves. You do have to be a touch more careful though with short heavy backspin serves and push through the spin so it doesn't bite too much and go into into the net (nowhere near sensitive like a grippy sponged pip though). 

My favourite with the new ball is Dornenglanz OX, but its peak effectiveness only lasts around 6 weeks so you have to buy sheets in bulk and change often. Performance during that time though is almost as good as the old D.Tecs with the old ball, but slower and with much better control, as well as a much lower throw which I have found is really important with the new ball as anything that bounces too high and is mid table or shorter is getting smacked regardless of how spinny your block/chop is.  


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Originally posted by mts388 mts388 wrote:

Originally posted by rocketman222 rocketman222 wrote:

I have been playing long pips on the side for the last couple of weeks and hence been researching LP techniques with help of club members like nathanso. I found this a good read.

https://medium.com/@ttdementor/https-medium-com-ttdementor-https-medium-com-ttdementor-playing-long-pimples-21483b9c938


Most of the stuff listed may be good for passive LP'ers.  I'm an aggressive LP'er OX with hard pips.  My bat is very closed on most hits (looping stroke) of topspin or backspin balls.  I'm working on chop blocking more which is hard for me to do because of my aggressive style of play.  I know that becoming a good chop blocker will really improve my game so it's something I have to do. 
It is hard to chop-block with the poly balls. Dead
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I second that, I only do it in emergencies now and maybe 25% of them are successful i.e. Dumped into the net. Playing modern defence but with OX, chopping from distance and when they push either brush looping with high spin or if it pops up smacking it has been the best strategy for me with the new ball.  
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Originally posted by skip3119 skip3119 wrote:

That's a good article.
I use Dawei 388D-1 OX.  (Very cheap.)

(1)  If I want the pips of the LP rubber to be able to "bend", I need to keep my rubber relatively new (while the pips are soft, thus easy to bend) - like replacing it every 4-6 months, if not sooner. (Cost is no problem, only about $5 a sheet.)

(2)  If I want to get greater "reversal", I need to keep using it for years and years, when the pips are "aged" and thus hardened - and lost friction.

Man I can not have it both ways.  Can only go one direction.
Which way is better for me? I don't know.





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