Joola Prime 40+ ABS ball

Robert40 wrote: I hate xfs and tibhar,joola flash little bit better but still crap.Even the factorys changed with reason, (and many people complained ) only was good nittaku premium 40+.Now (from 2017) made by abs all much better than any poly ball dhs d40+ i very like etc.....I like all ,but still prefer branded (more pieces is rounded ) stiga,yasaka...etc than any unbranded xfu....pailo...yinha...

pgpg wrote: unstopabl3 wrote: ... Sorry, edited. But you get the gist of my rant :P Yep - stupid things are different enough so now there is a decent amount of arguments in our league on 'which ball to play with'. We don't have official one, so you end up playing with 3 different balls on the evening, because you have a dude with the shiniest worn out NP 40+ he swears is still the best ball in the universe, XSF fan, Joola Flash loyalist etc.  You can always pick one at random, but then 'loser' gets to complain all night on how he lost because of that. And we're talking more or less meaningless matches here - don't know how pros deal with that.

Edited by unstopabl3 - 10/19/2018 at 9:34am

pgpg wrote: unstopabl3 wrote: ITTF is either failing to maintain a standard or colluding with the manufacturers to keep changing the material of the TT balls. First came 40 plastic, then 40+ plastic and now ABS which all play differently and there are 10's of different options i.e seam or no seam and different companies which you have to try in order to find the ball you like with the rubber/bat setup you like. It's a never ending monopoly of ITTF+manufacturers which makes the players keep spending more and more. Unless you are a semi-pro or a pro player who can play multiple hours each day and get free stuff from their sponsors, it's very hard to adjust to all of these stupid changes in a short time and also hard on pocket. I got used to Joola Flash, which was a good bouncy and spiny ball, only issue was bad durability, and now they introduced Joola Prime, which IMO is a bit heavier, has less bounce, speed and spin. But have to AGAIN adjust to this new ball since Joola Flash seems to have been discontinued. /endrant Can you give an example of a '40 plastic' ball? I believe all plastic (non-celluloid) balls were 40+.

ITTF is either failing to maintain a standard or colluding with the manufacturers to keep changing the material of the TT balls. First came 40 cell, then 40+ plastic and now ABS which all play differently and there are 10's of different options i.e seam or no seam and different companies which you have to try in order to find the ball you like with the rubber/bat setup you like. It's a never ending monopoly of ITTF+manufacturers which makes the players keep spending more and more.

Unless you are a semi-pro or a pro player who can play multiple hours each day and get free stuff from their sponsors, it's very hard to adjust to all of these stupid changes in a short time and also hard on pocket.

I got used to Joola Flash, which was a good bouncy and spiny ball, only issue was bad durability, and now they introduced Joola Prime, which IMO is a bit heavier, has less bounce, speed and spin. But have to AGAIN adjust to this new ball since Joola Flash seems to have been discontinued.

/endrant

Edited by unstopabl3 - 10/19/2018 at 8:12am

SmackDAT wrote: benfb wrote: I just got to try out the Joola Flash today.  Apparently, that's the ball that they're going to use at the WVC.  I thought it wasn't bad, but the persona who owned it swears by it (but he also likes the XuShaFa balls). Now I'll have to try the Prime? Anyway, I had the impression that the Flash was seamless but ABS balls are seamed. Flash and Xushaofa are great balls, as well as DHS D40

ericd937 wrote: osmar92 wrote: as i said above if you play with regular rubber not much of the difference , it is anti and pips which affected substantially Actually I find that if you play with hard inverted rubber, some of the balls aren't hard enough to get the sponge working properly on a regular basis. Double Fish and DHS balls are the worst for me. They suck!

patrickhrdlicka wrote: Are there still quality control problems with the DHS D40+ from TTNPP?

It would be interesting to know. I stopped buying from there because of this.

as i said above if you play with regular rubber not much of the difference , it is anti and pips which affected substantially

Could be. There are many variations in ABS plastics.

VictorK wrote: I got box of six Joola Prime 40+ balls, and was able to play with them for about 1.5 hours. Overall, Joola Prime balls look and play similarly to the DHS ABS balls (my gut tells me they are made by DHS), except that the seam is less visible on Joola Prime.   Also, all six balls were round, bounced consistently, and didn't wobble at all (wobble was my main gripe with the Flash balls) ... which coupled with the fact that they don't break easily (none broke despite being hit with an age of the blade on few occasions) and the price ($8.95 for 6 balls), makes it a very good ball, IMO.

I haven't tried the Joola ABS yet. But the smaller seam is interesting. Nittaku developed a new way of attaching ball halves for their Premium ABS. Their seam is barely visible. DHS doesn't seem to use the same method for the D40+, at least not obviously for any I have seen. Their seam is very easy to see. Does this mean Joola contracts with a different factory? Or maybe we will see this with D40 balls before long? It is worth keeping an eye on this.

THE BEST CONSENSUS EVER...   

We have recently done a friendly agreement with all our club members. We all now agree on the DHS D40+.   We all feel so happy now.

Joola ABS is not good for choppers or anti players

benfb wrote: Our club supplies balls for general play.  I recently told our members that we needed to buy more (purchases like this are based on soliciting donations) and I gave them two choices: Nittaku J-top training balls at $0.75/ball from Paddle Palace or DHS D40+ 3-star balls at $0.55/ball from TTNPP. I have my own bag of balls that I use, which is a mix of brands.  I've been happy with the DHS D40+ balls I purchased last summer from TTNPP, but I've seen some complaints there. So the question is: if this were you club, which would you purchase?  Right now, the popular response here are the Nittaku J-Top balls, but I'm not convinced.  What do people of the forum think? I will add that when price is not a consideration, the overwhelming favorite around here are Nittaku Premium 3-star balls.

icontek wrote: Hans Regenkurt wrote: What I think is that the Joola Prime is a rebranded DHS D40+ that has gone through strict quality control checks. The second-rate DHS D40 balls are given to shops like TTNPP that sell them for dirt cheap, this is why many of us got boxes that contain below standard balls. I feel like this needs a sticky. On a side note, we did some testing of the Tibhar SYNTT NG 40+, Donic P40+, Stiga Perform 40+ and all of them seem to be completely different to the DHS D0+. We liked the Tibhar best, then the Donic and although it has some good qualities, the Stiga came third.  Are you kidding me? When you say "completely different", what do you mean? Surface texture? Hardness? Speed? Height of bounce? Trajectory on smash? Trajectory on spin loop? Trajectory on drive loop? Trajectory on chop?

Hans Regenkurt wrote: What I think is that the Joola Prime is a rebranded DHS D40+ that has gone through strict quality control checks. The second-rate DHS D40 balls are given to shops like TTNPP that sell them for dirt cheap, this is why many of us got boxes that contain below standard balls.

I feel like this needs a sticky.