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    Posted: 04/20/2018 at 1:11am
I play a much younger guy a lot that reads my shots very well and is very fast. I was wondering how do forum members use deception in their shots? What type of shots do you use in deception and is there any video examples on this topic? A coach said forehand down the line is the best shot to use in this aspect of the game? Should I just improve my speed and placement in topspin shots or work more on deception?
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if you hit the ball where they're not expecting it, it doesn't have to be as strong. because they're not in position or expecting. (edit) at my low level.

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Originally posted by maurice101 maurice101 wrote:

I play a much younger guy a lot that reads my shots very well and is very fast. I was wondering how do forum members use deception in their shots? What type of shots do you use in deception and is there any video examples on this topic? A coach said forehand down the line is the best shot to use in this aspect of the game? Should I just improve my speed and placement in topspin shots or work more on deception?
Imo you can't use deception in the most common sense that you fade a movement, e.g. Mizutani's flicks,

but you should place the ball in a variety of places and in a position where the opponent will find it hard to reach.

And reduce your stroke movement if your energy transfer is non optimal. Focus more on acceleration and reduce if needed. 

Learn how to create more kick on the ball in order to make it more difficult for the opponent. Your goal is to make it more difficult for the opponent while making it easier for you, in a rally.
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Deception for me consists of 3 steps - timing of contact, position/rotation or shoulders, and the head / direction of the blade.

Position and shoulders often teleport what you're about to do, and if you can time a shot a bit later, you can catch the opponent reading shoulders as doing one things, but having the ball go to another spot. An example is a forehand loop that looks like cross court, but goes down the line.

The head of the blade and directions also often imply the placement, but that can be misread ( with proper deception ). There is a coach at ICC that blocks with the head of the blade up, and every time I watch him, I misread where the ball is going.
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Deception can be as simple as changing the speed of the shot.
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Variation is useful and usually easier to do than deception. Variation in speed or spin is important. Players can often groove to whatever you give them.
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IMO attempting deception is more likely to mess you up than him. If he's that fast he can just wait to see your ball and move to it.

Placement is a better way for you to try to crack this problem, because it will help you in every match, without overburdening your technique.
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what is a rally shot
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Most deception is in the serve and the serve receive. Or in short balls in general.
There is not much room for deception in long shots, but a lot of possible deception in short balls, during a rally too.

Placement and tactics is more important in rally..
Probably best to learn basic tactics I think. Like how to not be tempted to hit a down-the-line backhand to your opponents forehand when you get caught at the forehand side of the table, being extra careful about a down-the-line pivot forehand to your opponent and whatever other shots that leave you open for a potential block that will 100% lose you the point.
Basically how to avoid putting yourself in a situation where if the opponent returns the ball, you 100% lose.




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The forehand down the line you mention is a huge part of deception as a fh generally goes across if not consciously directed down the line. Same for the bh by the way. It's all about awareness and placement: awareness of the player's momentum and placement of the ball in the opposite direction. When wrong-footing the opponent, the feeling to see them looking at the ball passing by the other way is priceless and very much reinforces our grip on the mental aspect of the match.

Practice the "8" drill as much as you can (also known as "X's and H's": one player goes across all the time for both fh and bh, the other down the line all the time for both fh and bh as well, 5 minutes each 1) drives 2) slow control loop and blocks 3) slow control couterloops 4) pushes); it's the best to develop what you have in mind. Detail: when driving or looping in that drill, you must be capable to land close to the end line in the corners*, your progress will be slower if you do not focus on that as your loop landing in the middle of the table will look good with a nice arc and all but it will be easy to deal with: remember, the difficulty to correctly block a ball increases exponentially as it lands closer to the end line.

Last but not least, enjoy the drop shot, it's worth investing points, time and sometimes frustration to have a good drop shot, it messes with the opponent's timing, it's one more tool to control the pace, it helps you being in charge.

*being able to play the middle (or the elbow) is also important but easy to do when you control the corners.
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